Unions

[Sniperchoke]

Possum - 12/13/2010 11:51 AM

Sniperchoke - 12/13/2010 11:16 AM

Possum - 12/13/2010 4:26 AM

Sniperchoke - 12/12/2010 9:40 PM

There should be no minimum wage. If you are only worth $1.00 per hour that is what you should be paid. If you are worth $100.00 per hour that is what you should be paid.

So snip, get people off welfare, eliminate abortion, which in return increaces the work force. Spoken like a true puppet. Then if you get hurt on the job because production is valued over safety, then you can not work, your fired because you can not do your job and master has people standing in line for your job. People like me, will not let guys like you complete your agenda, slaves we are not. Child please.

Its not my job or gov'ts job to get people off welfare it is their own job. Eliminate gov't welfare. Private charity will take much better care of the needy than gov't will. If you get hurt on the job hire a lawyer. Company's want to be successful they don't want bad press. They care about their employees. They realize if they are unsafe they will be called out on it. By the way hate to break it to you but you are a slave. Try not paying your taxes and see what happens. I for one would rather take a whipping than go to prison for tax evasion.

You can hire a lawyer now because of people like me. Use to it was why did you do that, because I had kids to feed, well it was your own fault. Try not paying your taxes, you mean being a freeloader? You should go to jail, that is your problem, you want to live and succeed in one of the greatest countries that has ever existed, and not do your part. Soon as a Democratic president is elected you don't want to do your part. Wait till a Republican is elected, people that talk like you do will be unpatriotic and asked to leave the country, especialy by those that have kids fighting for this country. None of you guys worried about spending or taxes when Bush was in office, you just want admit it. This political forum did not exist until Obama was elected President. I predicect it will go away just as soon as a Republican returns to office.


I do my part every single day. I would much rather donate my hard earned money to the charity of my choice than let the idiots in D.C. waste my money and my children's, children's money.

 

[Possum]

SpurHunter - 12/13/2010 12:58 PM

Spell-check existed long before this forum.......I'm just sayin.

Maybe if it is so important you should use it.

 

[Possum]

I just need to learn how to type.

 

[outcaster]

Snipe just doesn't get it. If the capitalistic big business system always did the right thing, and cared as much about their people as they did about their shareholders, there would be no need for unions, minimum wage laws, Medicare, OSHA, FDA, and the EPA. The very reason we need those things is because big business often fails in that regard. A simple business concept that many businesses don't understand: "Contented cows give more milk".

 

[jig fisher]

What about the 9 million a year for the GM CEO. Where does that come into play?.

 

[Sniperchoke]

outcaster - 12/13/2010 7:36 PM

Snipe just doesn't get it. If the capitalistic big business system always did the right thing, and cared as much about their people as they did about their shareholders, there would be no need for unions, minimum wage laws, Medicare, OSHA, FDA, and the EPA. The very reason we need those things is because big business often fails in that regard. A simple business concept that many businesses don't understand: "Contented cows give more milk".

Walter Williams explains it much better than I

Labor unions are the major supporters of increases in the minimum wage. Even though the overwhelming majority of their members earn multiples of the minimum wage, they spend millions upon millions lobbying for minimum wage increases. They do it because higher minimum wages protect their members from competition with low-skill, low-wage workers. Most other minimum wage supporters are decent people with a concern for low-wage workers, but their actions suffer from a misguided vision of how the world operates.
If it is one’s vision that an employer must have a fixed number of workers to do a particular job, it makes sense to help workers by mandating higher wages. The same number of workers will be hired earning higher wages and the only difference is that employers will earn lower profits. Other people with the same desire to help low-wage workers will argue against minimum wage increases because they have a more realistic vision of how the world operates. They recognize that there is not a fixed number of workers necessary to get a particular job done. The employer can substitute capital for labor -- automate. If employers do hire the same number of workers with higher wages and try to shift the higher cost on to the product price, consumers can purchase substitute goods, including goods from foreign producers. Finally, employers can relocate to cheaper-wage countries. These and other responses to higher wages reduce employment.
Poor people are not poor because of low wages. For the most part, they're poor because of low productivity, and wages are connected to productivity. Congress can easily mandate higher wages, but they cannot mandate higher worker productivity or that employers hire a particular worker in the first place. The late Sen. Ted Kennedy, echoing the vision of many, said in his support of higher minimum wages, "I believe that anyone who works 40 hours a week, 52 weeks a year, should not live in poverty in the richest country in the world." It’s breathtakingly stupid to think of minimum wages as an anti-poverty tool. If it were, poverty in places such as Haiti, Ethiopia and Bangladesh could be instantly eliminated simply by proposing that these country’s legislators mandate a higher minimum wage. I’m wondering whether the Obama administration has proposed a $7.25 minimum wage as part of the cure to Haiti’s poverty.

 

[outcaster]

Snipe are you and Prof Williams, saying that the reason people are poor is because they all are lazy and un-productive? That's an ignorant line of thinking promoted by libertarians. We can't ALL be nuclear physicists, brain surgeons, hotel owners and rocket scientists. Many people are poor because of laziness, the vast majority of lower income folks are hard working, and far from lazy. The bottom half of all Americans pay only 13% of the Federal income taxes. I guess you think half of all Americans are lazy. In our society we NEED school teachers, apple pickers, police officers, fire fighters, convenience store cashiers, bus boys, cable installers, daycare workers, chicken pluckers, and hotel maids. If paying these people a living wage is detrimental to the bottom line........ you don't DESERVE to be in business. BTW over the last decade, wages have stagnated, while worker productivity has increased. The buying power of the current minimum wage is at a 50 year low. It amazes me that people lap up this Walter Williams BS like a dog drinking anti-freeze.

 

[Sniperchoke]

It’s breathtakingly stupid to think of minimum wages as an anti-poverty tool. If it were, poverty in places such as Haiti, Ethiopia and Bangladesh could be instantly eliminated simply by proposing that these country’s legislators mandate a higher minimum wage. Again for those who have trouble with comprehension.

 

[outcaster]

Sniperchoke - 12/14/2010 7:13 PM

It’s breathtakingly stupid to think of minimum wages as an anti-poverty tool. If it were, poverty in places such as Haiti, Ethiopia and Bangladesh could be instantly eliminated simply by proposing that these country’s legislators mandate a higher minimum wage. Again for those who have trouble with comprehension.

Maybe if Haiti, and Bangladesh were some of the richest countries on the planet (Like us) they could do it too. Sen Kennedy was right. I have no problem with comprehension. Comparing the US to Haiti is just absurd. It's a damn shame that with the massive wealth and success this nation been blessed with that people are homeless, sick, and go to bed hungry. Maybe it's just because they're lazy! It's like telling people without shoes to "pull themselves up by their bootstraps" GEEEZ! Try this BS somewhere else.

 

[Sniperchoke]

O.K. maybe you don't comprehend this part:

Most other minimum wage supporters are decent people with a concern for low-wage workers, but their actions suffer from a misguided vision of how the world operates.
If it is one’s vision that an employer must have a fixed number of workers to do a particular job, it makes sense to help workers by mandating higher wages. The same number of workers will be hired earning higher wages and the only difference is that employers will earn lower profits. Other people with the same desire to help low-wage workers will argue against minimum wage increases because they have a more realistic vision of how the world operates. They recognize that there is not a fixed number of workers necessary to get a particular job done. The employer can substitute capital for labor -- automate. If employers do hire the same number of workers with higher wages and try to shift the higher cost on to the product price, consumers can purchase substitute goods, including goods from foreign producers. Finally, employers can relocate to cheaper-wage countries. These and other responses to higher wages reduce employment.