Unloading on the CBA

[silvertalon]

Regarding the destruction of White Card participants. Why in the world would you all make a stupid decision like this? Can you give me one good reason why. Is it so you can force everyone to be a season member- For what monetary gain- a few hundred bucks? I fish 6-8 CBA's annual, Thats about $1,000 in prize money from only 1 participant, Multiply that by several years I've supported the org. Multiply that by 5 or 6 boats or more every event!.. Now what about new comers to the area or newby's to tournament fishing scene who'd like to try one or two events to see if it's what they like ? How about guy's who have to work on some weekends- like me! I spread a lot of hype around the county to a lot of my fishing friends and past sponsors asking them to visit your website, "check out the CBA and all the huge sacks of fish etc". Now what? Last year you axed the seniors out - now the white carder's. Thanks a lot guys.

 

[niteowl]

I agree Glenn. Don't really see how that will bring more fishermen.
I remember a few years ago when they went up 10 dollars a person for the bassmaster team championship, which I completely understand. Only issue I have with it is that we fish youth division, so we don't even qualify for the team championship. So we pay 20 bucks for nothing.

 

[johnboy44]

Silvertalon do you fish any other tournaments or dog fights? I bet if you do the very first one you pay a membership fee so what is the difference? If you look back on the last few years the white card guys come get a check and don't come back. ( Look at June night ) it cost CBA money for white card guys. I don't know any other club or dogfight you don't have to pay a membership fee so CBA is doing the right thing.

 

[silvertalon]

Whah, Whah! Want a kleenex? I've invested Thousands of dollars in CBA entries and have never cashed a check. (for several unfortunate reasons). So, you're affraid of me? I'd say ya'all have shot yourselves in the foot here. A white card team that can cash a check is just another boat in the event. So, anyone can sit back all year until they're on a pile of fish, pay the membership fee and step in and cash a check anyway? What about ya'all letting Elite pro's like Gross and Davis step in to take the prize money - is that fair to the novice or recreational fishermen? Real bright thinking! I figured up an average dollar figure- 5 white cards per event times 10, is about 6 grand in prize money. For an org that is all about money and is bragging about a better pay-out for all-? How about being here to build your organization and focus on supporting your sponsors through a better turn-out. So also for other reasons, you can now see why I'd rather not be a paid member and prefer to fish via White Card. And by the way, until you lift the ban on White Carder's, I will no longer support any of your sponsors. IMO.

 

[lafae7]

Well said silvertalon, for I couldn’t agree more. I quit fishing CBA once I found out I was fishing against fishing Guides and pros. It’s strange when the same people are always in the top 10... Also, because they don’t polygraph. I remember back in the day the winners would get taken to the rangers station for a polygraph. I had supported CBA for a long time but slowly have separated myself over the years to a point where now I have a disdain for the organization. It seems every year they just get worse and worse. Lastly, let’s not even get started on fish mortality brought on by the CBA alone.

 

[Bobber Stop]

I agree with Johnboy44. Most ALL times when you see the White card entrees is when some guys are catching big sacks, and think they can win. Why not just fish them all, so you can fish the classic. I mean dang, its a big pot. Silvertalon if you fish 6-8 per year, that would get ya in. I think its just not fare to the other workin guys who member up fish the season, and then some white card ( not a new guy just trying one ) comes in cause they have been on fish. But what do I know , just an old member.find another open tournament that'll pay 2k for 1st place GARUNTEED.

 

[derek81]

silvertalon - 2/12/2019 9:38 AM

Whah, Whah! Want a kleenex? I've invested Thousands of dollars in CBA entries and have never cashed a check. (for several unfortunate reasons). So, you're affraid of me? I'd say ya'all have shot yourselves in the foot here. A white card team that can cash a check is just another boat in the event. So, anyone can sit back all year until they're on a pile of fish, pay the membership fee and step in and cash a check anyway? What about ya'all letting Elite pro's like Gross and Davis step in to take the prize money - is that fair to the novice or recreational fishermen? Real bright thinking! I figured up an average dollar figure- 5 white cards per event times 10, is about 6 grand in prize money. For an org that is all about money and is bragging about a better pay-out for all-? How about being here to build your organization and focus on supporting your sponsors through a better turn-out. So also for other reasons, you can now see why I'd rather not be a paid member and prefer to fish via White Card. And by the way, until you lift the ban on White Carder's, I will no longer support any of your sponsors. IMO.

Only one who sounds like they need a Kleenex is you! Why such a nasty response, he was just replying to your post, you want some input or just want to vent and bitch about the CBA?

 

[johnboy44]

silvertalon - 2/12/2019 9:38 AM

Whah, Whah! Want a kleenex? I've invested Thousands of dollars in CBA entries and have never cashed a check. (for several unfortunate reasons). So, you're affraid of me? I'd say ya'all have shot yourselves in the foot here. A white card team that can cash a check is just another boat in the event. So, anyone can sit back all year until they're on a pile of fish, pay the membership fee and step in and cash a check anyway? What about ya'all letting Elite pro's like Gross and Davis step in to take the prize money - is that fair to the novice or recreational fishermen? Real bright thinking! I figured up an average dollar figure- 5 white cards per event times 10, is about 6 grand in prize money. For an org that is all about money and is bragging about a better pay-out for all-? How about being here to build your organization and focus on supporting your sponsors through a better turn-out. So also for other reasons, you can now see why I'd rather not be a paid member and prefer to fish via White Card. And by the way, until you lift the ban on White Carder's, I will no longer support any of your sponsors. IMO.

Afraid of you I don't think so. I don't even know who you are. The only person whah whah is you because you are scared of guides and pros fisherman. I am not a guide or pro and probably work more hours than most that fish and I do just fine. Also you don't have to figure the numbers go to the website and look at every month. It is really simple math to figure out if white cards benefit the CBA. Oh yeah you never said if you fish any other tournaments or dogfights? I am sure you do and i am sure you pay a membership fee and i am sure you probably don't cry when you pay that membership fee.

 

[silvertalon]

Ok, so I did do the research on 2018 and the math that debunks your reasoning. Here it is- 81 White card entrants totaling $9,720.00. 14 pay-outs to White carder's totaling approx $2,800. No checks issued over 4th pl. That's about a 30% pay-out for white card entries. Where's the issue here? Or, are you worried someone is cheating? Obviously, you don't need my contribution of thousands of dollars anymore. Just let the foot wound bleed rather than admitting I am right. CBA will suffer the lose not me. There's plenty of other events to fish. And, fyi, I have fished well over 2,000 tournaments all over the country in the past 42 years and have never seen an organization with such an attitude and political discourse. You're supposed to be in place for the anglers who support you. Not the other way around. IMO/. Good luck.

 

[bronzeback45]

I know one team that isn't bna guide or pro, and the had dang good year last year for just being there second season. I used used to fish some of night opens but I quit that, it takes time that I don't have but I enjoy fishing anyways!

 

[silvertalon]

derek81 - 2/12/2019 11:42 AM

silvertalon - 2/12/2019 9:38 AM

Whah, Whah! Want a kleenex? I've invested Thousands of dollars in CBA entries and have never cashed a check. (for several unfortunate reasons). So, you're affraid of me? I'd say ya'all have shot yourselves in the foot here. A white card team that can cash a check is just another boat in the event. So, anyone can sit back all year until they're on a pile of fish, pay the membership fee and step in and cash a check anyway? What about ya'all letting Elite pro's like Gross and Davis step in to take the prize money - is that fair to the novice or recreational fishermen? Real bright thinking! I figured up an average dollar figure- 5 white cards per event times 10, is about 6 grand in prize money. For an org that is all about money and is bragging about a better pay-out for all-? How about being here to build your organization and focus on supporting your sponsors through a better turn-out. So also for other reasons, you can now see why I'd rather not be a paid member and prefer to fish via White Card. And by the way, until you lift the ban on White Carder's, I will no longer support any of your sponsors. IMO.

Only one who sounds like they need a Kleenex is you! Why such a nasty response, he was just replying to your post, you want some input or just want to vent and bitch about the CBA?

No nasty pun intended. Bitching and venting for the unfair treatment? For Sure. Thanks.

 

[silvertalon]

johnboy44 - 2/12/2019 9:36 AM

Silvertalon do you fish any other tournaments or dog fights? I bet if you do the very first one you pay a membership fee so what is the difference? If you look back on the last few years the white card guys come get a check and don't come back. ( Look at June night ) it cost CBA money for white card guys. I don't know any other club or dogfight you don't have to pay a membership fee so CBA is doing the right thing.

I don't have a gripe about the fee. I just don't like the political discourse and attitude of the CBA so, I prefer white card. I still overlook my feelings about the org and enjoy the excitement and atmosphere of competing and being part of the event. Also, someone apparently messed up on the pay-out math and stats cuz I came up with a 30% of white card entry pay-out (overall season), to white card teams. I posted the stats above. . I'm quite close.

 

[Jmax]

No longer have a horse in this race but having been in the CBAs fishing them for about 8 years, I will tell you that there are plenty of other tournaments out there to try. emoAngel Not bashing either side of this one. I am just saying if you don't like a rule that a club or organization has just go somewhere else. I have said it many a time. You can just about fish a tournament a day on the Chick in the summer, surely there is one that fits. Why get so upset about this one? emoScratch Just find one you like better if one does not fit your idea of what is right. If you don't like fishing against pro's and guides or if you think paying a membership fee is wrong when you want to fish just a couple a year, then find one that you don't have to do those things. emoSmile I really miss fishing the CBAs. Fishing those for me was a challenge going up against the anglers who were some of the best in the area. It was worth it to me. But then again, at the time I was half retired and had a lot of time to pre-fish, in some ways I felt that was unfair to you poor working boys. emoRedface Life is short guys, you often don't know how good you have it until it is gone. Live life to it's fullest, love, laugh, inspire others as much as you can. When your gone, how do you want to be remembered? emoGeezer I will end by saying if this has a bad financial impact on the CBA I can just about bet it will change back next year. emoBigsmile Jmax

 

[Bobber Stop]

Fish mortality is actually surprisingly lower than I thought it would have been when I fished. Oh yeah may have had something to the no cull rule for a dead fish. I guess other clubs and tourneys will let you just throw back a dead fish so you don't have to take penalty.

 

[beetlespin]

I’m just glad Jmax moved away so all those guides and pros have a chance now.

 

[Jmax]

beetlespin - 2/12/2019 1:32 PM

I’m just glad Jmax moved away so all those guides and pros have a chance now.

emoUpsmile Well said, for one of those poor ol'working all the time stiffs. emoBigsmile Jmax

 

[johnboy44]

silvertalon - 2/12/2019 11:18 AM

Ok, so I did do the research on 2018 and the math that debunks your reasoning. Here it is- 81 White card entrants totaling $9,720.00. 14 pay-outs to White carder's totaling approx $2,800. No checks issued over 4th pl. That's about a 30% pay-out for white card entries. Where's the issue here? Or, are you worried someone is cheating? Obviously, you don't need my contribution of thousands of dollars anymore. Just let the foot wound bleed rather than admitting I am right. CBA will suffer the lose not me. There's plenty of other events to fish. And, fyi, I have fished well over 2,000 tournaments all over the country in the past 42 years and have never seen an organization with such an attitude and political discourse. You're supposed to be in place for the anglers who support you. Not the other way around. IMO/. Good luck.

Okay let me explain why you can not do simple math. Entry fees are 100.00 and 20.00 for big fish. 81 entrants = 8,100.00 Total cashes of 20. Out of those cashes will be anywhere from 7,000.00 to 8,000.00 dollars. Let me give you a example: the June night had 8 white card entrants and 5 of those cashed checks for 1,500.00 or right around that number. So the CBA took up 800.00 in entry fees and paid out 1,500.00 in prize money. CBA and Members that are loyal to there club paid out 700.00 to people that are not invested into our club. Hope this helps.

 

[johnboy44]

silvertalon - 2/12/2019 11:44 AM

johnboy44 - 2/12/2019 9:36 AM

Silvertalon do you fish any other tournaments or dog fights? I bet if you do the very first one you pay a membership fee so what is the difference? If you look back on the last few years the white card guys come get a check and don't come back. ( Look at June night ) it cost CBA money for white card guys. I don't know any other club or dogfight you don't have to pay a membership fee so CBA is doing the right thing.

I don't have a gripe about the fee. I just don't like the political discourse and attitude of the CBA so, I prefer white card. I still overlook my feelings about the org and enjoy the excitement and atmosphere of competing and being part of the event. Also, someone apparently messed up on the pay-out math and stats cuz I came up with a 30% of white card entry pay-out (overall season), to white card teams. I posted the stats above. . I'm quite close.

Please read your first two sentences of this thread and now read your first sentence above. I don't really know what you are trying to say but would love to know out of the 1,000's off tournament you have fished how many membership fees did you pay. So if it ain't about the membership with the CBA and it is about the political demand of the CBA then i would love to here about this. Oh yeah almost forgot to tell you but the officers of the CBA let us anglers decide alot of the new rule changes and you could have been a part of the CBA Classic meeting that all of our paying members was at.

 

[BullMerc225]

Most tournament organizations in the country have some type of membership fee. Example: If you want to fish an American Bass Anglers event, you have to be a member of ABA; if you fish an FLW event, you have to be a member of FLW; if you fish a B.A.S.S event, then you have to be a member of B.A.S.S. It doesn't even have to be a big organization like the ones I mentioned, even the nightly dogfights on Chickamauga require you to pay an initiation fee at the first event you fish. This decision by the CBA Officers wasn't directed towards any specific group of individuals. Take the monetary factor and payout out of the equation, it simply doesn't matter how much money the white card guys win in the events they fish. The CBA welcomes anglers of all kinds to come out and fish and enjoy time on the water, however, now you have to pay the $60 processing fee just like everyone else and most other organizations. At the end of the day, none of the guys fishing the CBA are making a living fishing CBA, it is just a time to go out and enjoy time on the water.

 

[Fishheadspin]

Guess Silvertalon is not going to fish CFF this weekend! They don't have a white card division and have a one time membership fee! Oh wait! He has already signed up! emoAngel emoLaugh