Obama Bans Sportfishing

[Possum]

outcaster - 3/10/2010 10:36 PM

emoZipped

Know what you are thinking.

 

[RattleTrapper]

I agree with you. Here's the way I see it. The middle class is the back bone of this nation. I would say that almost all of us on this forum are somewhere in the middle class. As you have said, many members of the upper class are supported by exploiting those individuals lower than them, i.e. the middle and lower class. On the flip side, the lower class contains a large amount of individuals who exploit government programs, which are paid for primarily by the tax dollars of the middle and upper class. The bottom line? The middle class gets screwed both ways. I think that most Democrats take issue more with the upper class, while Republicans take issue with the lower class. As soon as someone can come up with a way to fix both, I'll be the first one on their band wagon.

 

[soggysod]

Perhaps a little late in the game but this part>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


"We can do this all day if you want to.

A vote for a conservative politician is also a vote for:

Coat hanger, back alley abortions.
Women not being allowed to vote.
Blacks, drinking from separate water fountains, riding at the back of the bus
Bombing Women's clinics
Killing Dr's while they are sitting in Church
Bombing public parks
Blowing up Federal buildings
Lynch mobs
Jim Crow laws
Dirty air and water
Greed and corruption
the KKK

just a few for now, I can keep going if you want to keep this nonsense up!"

is WAAAAAY off base, who was it that freed slaves....um republican (Lincoln), who filibustered '64 civil rights for 24 hrs...thurman DEMOCRAT....seperate water fountains, bathrooms, blacks in the back of the bus.....SOUTHERN DEMOCRATS< KKK, yep DEMOCRATS......blowing up police staitions, and parks, progressives (D) the list can go on, but cmon the old "racist south" was democratic so dont pull that crap on us!

and as far as i am concerned with it's free this, and no charge that, the Democratic party is as racist as ever and gives the poor blacks, whites, and minorities little incentive to rise above the situation they are in. "keep em poor, and control them"
Martin Luther King jr was a republican for a reason!

soggysod

 

[Fishheadspin]

outcaster,,,one snapper where you used to load the boat....please! you are making me doubt that you have ever even been or you are one extremely terrible fisherman. You are not much different than most news channels. You are trying to argue politics with something you do not know much very about and despite the true facts.

first, you were going several times a year....now you have gone 1 time in 3 years. Then, it was there are no snapper in state waters, then you admit it but it is only because of government regs.

i dont argue that regulation is/was needed but now that stocks have returned, the fed governement will not allow FL to return back to its own creels and seasons. In fact, it is just the opposite. The fed continue to push Fl harder to reduce the creel limit to be more strigent than the fed. it was recommended that FL shorten the season to one month and 1/peson/day last December because Fl went over the allowed tonage last season. The state of Fl has stated that it will not so you can bet that the feds will mandate the season to be one month next year.

The point is the US federal government is not concerned with how many red snapper that a truely out there...it is forcing states to end fishing as IT sees fit.

if you love fishing, you should be very concerned with how the government is slowly but surely phasing out red snapper fishing. bass catfish crappie and even bluegill could be next.

 

[Guest]

Possum - 3/10/2010 9:12 PM

So Cheez do you think that the U.S. can prop up the weak, lazy, and incapable citizen in our society and still survive as a nation?

I think we can and should help out the weak and incapable. I also think we would thrive by doing so. Now the lazy is a completely different animal. Their number is increasing exponentially. People see that they can draw a check and live as good or better than someone who works. I do not think we can survive as a nation for much longer if we continue to prop up the ones who WILL not work.

 

[fishmedic]

My last three or four Charter trips were with a small Mom and Pop operation in Grayton beach near Destin. We never left sight of the beach and we caught the biggest Red snapper I've ever caught and limited each trip. That was 2 or 3 years ago. I still go to the Gulf several times a year and kayak fish. I too have seen big snapper and grouper being paddled in to the beach by guys and gals in yaks. I dont know why anyone would pay $500 -$1000+ to go out and catch 1 snapper and an aggregate limit of 5 grouper ( that may have changed too). Next the Cobia, makerel, and amberjack numbers will be in trouble, because now thats what the charter boats are having to target because they get their snapper limits in no time at all. I too am concerned about the federal gov mandating what the states do in Thier state waters. Especailly when its based on seemingly flawed data.

 

[outcaster]

Fishheadspin - 3/11/2010 1:33 AM

outcaster,,,one snapper where you used to load the boat....please! you are making me doubt that you have ever even been or you are one extremely terrible fisherman. You are not much different than most news channels. You are trying to argue politics with something you do not know much very about and despite the true facts.

first, you were going several times a year....now you have gone 1 time in 3 years. Then, it was there are no snapper in state waters, then you admit it but it is only because of government regs.

i dont argue that regulation is/was needed but now that stocks have returned, the fed governement will not allow FL to return back to its own creels and seasons. In fact, it is just the opposite. The fed continue to push Fl harder to reduce the creel limit to be more strigent than the fed. it was recommended that FL shorten the season to one month and 1/peson/day last December because Fl went over the allowed tonage last season. The state of Fl has stated that it will not so you can bet that the feds will mandate the season to be one month next year.

The point is the US federal government is not concerned with how many red snapper that a truely out there...it is forcing states to end fishing as IT sees fit.

if you love fishing, you should be very concerned with how the government is slowly but surely phasing out red snapper fishing. bass catfish crappie and even bluegill could be next.

Really.........Terrible fisherman?.......take a look around cff.... ask around some. I am as confident in my fish finding and catching skills on St. Andrews Bay, and nearshore waters, as I am on the TN River. Please...... I see you've posted 1 fishing report in the last year, yet you talk as it your some sort of saltwater expert. You're right, I have not gone off shore very much over the last 10 years, and have stayed inshore fishing for Reds, Trout, and Black Snapper when I go down there. But I have cleaned more Red Snapper in two seasons, than you will catch in your lifetime, and have very good friends that are boat Captains and guides down there. I can argue the TRUE FACTs because I've seen the Snapper situation go from boom to bust, and according to you boom again. But if we go back to like it was in the 70's, 80's and 90's, and every seafood restaurant from New York to HongKong has American Red Snapper on the menu, and all the good ole boys drive back to TN, KY, and GA with more fish than they can possibly eat, we will find ourselves in the same place again. You may buy into all this "The gov't is trying to take my fishing rod" crap if you want to, I don't. It's unfortunate by sometimes necessary for the Fed Gov't to have to step in when the free market system, because of it's own greed, ie commercial fishermen, actually destroy the very resource that has made them money. It's just the same with the financial markets and auto industry that had to bailed out recently. BTW wasn't most of the Red Snapper restoration project done under a Republican President, and a Republican Gulf Coast State Governors? But now that there is a Democrat in the White House....... He's after our Fishing Rods... Give me a Freakin Break!

 

[outcaster]

soggysod - 3/11/2010 12:27 AM

Perhaps a little late in the game but this part>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


"We can do this all day if you want to.

A vote for a conservative politician is also a vote for:

Coat hanger, back alley abortions.
Women not being allowed to vote.
Blacks, drinking from separate water fountains, riding at the back of the bus
Bombing Women's clinics
Killing Dr's while they are sitting in Church
Bombing public parks
Blowing up Federal buildings
Lynch mobs
Jim Crow laws
Dirty air and water
Greed and corruption
the KKK

just a few for now, I can keep going if you want to keep this nonsense up!"

is WAAAAAY off base, who was it that freed slaves....um republican (Lincoln), who filibustered '64 civil rights for 24 hrs...thurman DEMOCRAT....seperate water fountains, bathrooms, blacks in the back of the bus.....SOUTHERN DEMOCRATS< KKK, yep DEMOCRATS......blowing up police staitions, and parks, progressives (D) the list can go on, but cmon the old "racist south" was democratic so dont pull that crap on us!

and as far as i am concerned with it's free this, and no charge that, the Democratic party is as racist as ever and gives the poor blacks, whites, and minorities little incentive to rise above the situation they are in. "keep em poor, and control them"
Martin Luther King jr was a republican for a reason!

soggysod

Soggysod, Did you sleep during 9th grade Civic Class? Or skip it completely? Had you been awake, you would have learned that Conservative has not always meant Republican, and Liberal has not always meant Democrat. At least, get an internet education, and read the entire statement before you make an idiotic response.

 

[Bfish]

ESPN basically retracts the original article:
http://sports.espn.go.com/outdoors/saltwater/columns/story?columnist=bowman_steve&id=4982359

 

[SpurHunter]

Wow, talk about a screw-up! Thanks for posting the update.

Now at least I hope you guys can see it wasn't just a few folks taking it overboard, seems as if many, many folks took what a respected site posted as a legitimate attack on our rights as sportsman and were worried for the rights of all.

 

[Possum]

cheez - 3/11/2010 8:09 AM

Possum - 3/10/2010 9:12 PM

So Cheez do you think that the U.S. can prop up the weak, lazy, and incapable citizen in our society and still survive as a nation?

I think we can and should help out the weak and incapable. I also think we would thrive by doing so. Now the lazy is a completely different animal. Their number is increasing exponentially. People see that they can draw a check and live as good or better than someone who works. I do not think we can survive as a nation for much longer if we continue to prop up the ones who WILL not work.

I am with you on this one and have some revolutionary ideas about how to somehat fix the probem.

 

[Fishheadspin]

look dude... i could careless about your fishi finding ability. you are right, i dont post fishing reports and with good reason. I posted a reply to this topic on what is happening right now on the gulf. not 20 or 30 years ago.

first you go several times year now it is 10 years... you tried to poo poo my post and report with your opionion with that was well over 20 years old.

let me address this think i am an expert deal....i have been a member of this for since a few months after it was concieved and have never shied away from stating what i either knew or thougth was right regardless of what people would think of me. I never said " i was a deckahand for a while and frequent the gulf often" when in all reality you have not been in 10 years. i think when i said "if a guy from chattanooga can go......" that was pretty must admission that it really aint that hard to catch snappers....

fact is you were trying to take away from my post with your unknowledgeable opionion of current conidtions of the gulf red snapper. and if you ask all your captain buddies in PCB they will tell you ever thing i have stated it true!!!!

i not sure i follow you on this statement ..BTW wasn't most of the Red Snapper restoration project done under a Republican President, and a Republican Gulf Coast State Governors? But now that there is a Democrat in the White House....... He's after our Fishing Rods... Give me a Freakin Break!

if you look back,,,i never mentioned O one time....The fed government yes ...........my whole point is is regulation needed yes but why is it that the fed continues to strong arm states of it own waters if the problem has been corrected...

 

[RattleTrapper]

Possum - 3/11/2010 2:25 PM

I am with you on this one and have some revolutionary ideas about how to somehat fix the probem.

Hmmmm, I would expect revolutionary ideas to do more than somewhat fix a problem. emoPoke But since you're so modest with your description of them, care to give us a sneak peek at these ideas?

 

[Guest]

RattleTrapper - 3/11/2010 2:07 PM

Possum - 3/11/2010 2:25 PM

I am with you on this one and have some revolutionary ideas about how to somehat fix the probem.

Hmmmm, I would expect revolutionary ideas to do more than somewhat fix a problem. emoPoke But since you're so modest with your description of them, care to give us a sneak peek at these ideas?

RT there have been many people with great and revolutionary ideas to fix the problem of entitlements to the unworthy. Problem is that those unworthy of assistance vote democrat and the dems are not going to give up that base. No way no how. If they actually "fixed" the problem they would all have to swap parties to keep their jobs.

 

[outcaster]

Fishheadspin - 3/11/2010 12:42 PM

look dude... i could careless about your fishi finding ability. you are right, i dont post fishing reports and with good reason. I posted a reply to this topic on what is happening right now on the gulf. not 20 or 30 years ago.

first you go several times year now it is 10 years... you tried to poo poo my post and report with your opionion with that was well over 20 years old.

let me address this think i am an expert deal....i have been a member of this for since a few months after it was concieved and have never shied away from stating what i either knew or thougth was right regardless of what people would think of me. I never said " i was a deckahand for a while and frequent the gulf often" when in all reality you have not been in 10 years. i think when i said "if a guy from chattanooga can go......" that was pretty must admission that it really aint that hard to catch snappers....

fact is you were trying to take away from my post with your unknowledgeable opionion of current conidtions of the gulf red snapper. and if you ask all your captain buddies in PCB they will tell you ever thing i have stated it true!!!!

i not sure i follow you on this statement ..BTW wasn't most of the Red Snapper restoration project done under a Republican President, and a Republican Gulf Coast State Governors? But now that there is a Democrat in the White House....... He's after our Fishing Rods... Give me a Freakin Break!

if you look back,,,i never mentioned O one time....The fed government yes ...........my whole point is is regulation needed yes but why is it that the fed continues to strong arm states of it own waters if the problem has been corrected...

Listen, Dude.......I'll try to remain civilized here, even though you are doing your best to make it difficult. I attended FS University in 82 and 83, both summer and other breaks, I, as a Captain's Mate worked on deep sea charter boats, out of Panama City Beach Fl. For 10 years 86-96 I lived south of Atlanta, my parents owned a small condo in PCB till 2007. So from 1986 till 2007 I went down and fished both inshore and offshore 10-12 times a year while in ATL and 5-6 times a year while living here. Many times I fished 6-7 days straight, often fishing with the same captains that I used to work for. And even now I go 2-3 times a year even though the condo has been sold. So I do know a little bit about the Red Snapper fishery. I've seen the good times and the bad when it comes to offshore bottom fishing. Fl residents should be angry and bothered by the fact that the federal gov't had to come in and get involved when the state turned a blind eye to the problem. The very last time I went offshore bottom fishing was 2007 or 08 we had to run 30 miles out to get our fish. If the nearshore wrecks have recovered since then, I'll take your word for it. That may be the case near Destin and Gulf Shores, That does not mean the recovery stretches the entire length of the Gulf Coast, especially the further south you go. and the further west as well. The waters off Destin have always been known as the red snapper fishing capitol of the world. Those waters were least effected by the abuses of the last few decades, and consequently the first to be robust again. I think we can both agree that coastal anglers do get the shaft when it comes to regulations state or federal. Only 3% to 5% of the fishery take and abuse comes from sports fishermen.

 

[SpurHunter]

Lets keep it about the issues guys.

 

[RattleTrapper]

Back to the original topic, I finally had a few extra minutes to read through the proposal, and I can't find anything that would effect inland fishing. I combed through it pretty quick, but it sounds like its just aimed at oceans, coastal areas and the Great Lakes. Is there something in there that I am missing?

 

[Guest]

RattleTrapper - 3/11/2010 3:25 PM

Back to the original topic, I finally had a few extra minutes to read through the proposal, and I can't find anything that would effect inland fishing. I combed through it pretty quick, but it sounds like its just aimed at oceans, coastal areas and the Great Lakes. Is there something in there that I am missing?

Give them an inch and they will take a mile. Open the door and they will eventually find some "legitimte" reason to ban all fishing. PETA will never stop until no one uses any animal for anything. olbummer is their friend and he owes them. Figure it out. It's pretty easy.

 

[RattleTrapper]

How does Obama owe PETA? This whole thing seems very blown out of proportion.

 

[Possum]

cheez - 3/11/2010 4:15 PM

RattleTrapper - 3/11/2010 3:25 PM

Back to the original topic, I finally had a few extra minutes to read through the proposal, and I can't find anything that would effect inland fishing. I combed through it pretty quick, but it sounds like its just aimed at oceans, coastal areas and the Great Lakes. Is there something in there that I am missing?

Give them an inch and they will take a mile. Open the door and they will eventually find some "legitimte" reason to ban all fishing. PETA will never stop until no one uses any animal for anything. olbummer is their friend and he owes them. Figure it out. It's pretty easy.

Cheez you are right Obama plans to ban all fishing. I called his camp last night. However he put a provision in the bill that Democrats could fish all they wanted too. He just figured it would be another way to piss the Republicans off. emoCool