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[Bfish]

hl&s, again look at the numbers from [bold]your[/bold] link that I posted, steady 48-51 percent all during 2010. Where is the drop?

 

[outcaster]

tie1on - 3/30/2010 12:46 AM

Hey, I have a great idea! Why dont we go to private healthcare. Then everyone can be looked at a case by case basis. emoToast

Oh yea, I hate Aspartame and MSG! They give me migraine headaches! Ill stick with the good ol salt(and lots of it!) and REAL sugar and REAL butter! emoHungry

And that my friends, Is why healthcare it's all mucked up. They do look at it case by case, cherry pick the ones they want to insure, disgard the rest, and you and me pay for the rest of them. I'll also take the other responses as a (YES) I do want them in my insurance pool paying the same rates and taxes as me. I want to continue to pay higher insurance rates because of the choices they make. Aren't you some of the same people wanting to drug test anyone that gets food stamps?

 

[hl&s]

Bfish - 3/30/2010 11:53 AM hl&s, again look at the numbers from [bold]your[/bold] link that I posted, steady 48-51 percent all during 2010. Where is the drop?

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bfish - Again, you posted, and provided the link, thathis approval rating was 61% on March 16th.Look at your above post.</p>

It is now 49%.</p>

Not hard to do the arithmetic. That's a 12% drop in approval rating for a 2 week period. That's a "big" drop.</p>

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[TritonAL186]

Where do they get these ratings from ? I have never been asked to rate the President and if they did , they wouldn't like the answer. I don't care if you're either a Rep. or a Dem, I don't have any respect for this President, respect is earned , not given, and he has not earn it as far as I'm concerned. All he has done is to lie to the American people and he is trying to destory this country, but some of you can't see that, either you're to blind because he belongs to your party or you just don't want to see it. I'm neither a Rep. nor a Dem. I'm an Indep. and I vote for who I think at the time is going to run this Country in the right direction and this time I was fooled, like most Americans that voted for him. Taxing the hell out of everyone is not the answer and definitely not putting us in this debit we are in today. I see nothing good coming from this administration.... It's just my opinion and you could criticize it all you want because it will not change the way I feel .

 

[Bfish]

hl&s - 3/30/2010 8:04 PM

Bfish - 3/30/2010 11:53 AM hl&s, again look at the numbers from [bold]your[/bold] link that I posted, steady 48-51 percent all during 2010. Where is the drop?

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 </p>

bfish - Again, you posted, and provided the link, that his approval rating was 61% on March 16th. Look at your above post.</p>

It is now 49%.</p>

Not hard to do the arithmetic.

Yeah but did you actually look at the link that you provided. It showed no change since the start of the year (+ or - 1 pt). Comparing two different polls is apples to oranges.

 

[Sniperchoke]

outcaster - 3/30/2010 6:45 PM

tie1on - 3/30/2010 12:46 AM

Hey, I have a great idea! Why dont we go to private healthcare. Then everyone can be looked at a case by case basis. emoToast

Oh yea, I hate Aspartame and MSG! They give me migraine headaches! Ill stick with the good ol salt(and lots of it!) and REAL sugar and REAL butter! emoHungry

And that my friends, Is why healthcare it's all mucked up. They do look at it case by case, cherry pick the ones they want to insure, disgard the rest, and you and me pay for the rest of them. I'll also take the other responses as a (YES) I do want them in my insurance pool paying the same rates and taxes as me. I want to continue to pay higher insurance rates because of the choices they make. Aren't you some of the same people wanting to drug test anyone that gets food stamps?

Why don't you address my response I don't want them in my pool or anyone else's. Individuals alone ought to suffer the consequences of their actions. If they are uninsurable they can pay out of pocket, seek private charity, or die. Until our politicians stop trying to legislate intelligence we have no hope of getting out of this mess. And by the way if my house catches on fire why would I want the fire department to come and ruin the rest of it with by dousing it with thousands of gallons of water. As long as me and family are safe and out let it burn to the ground that's why I carry ins.

 

[hl&s]

Bfish - 3/30/2010 8:01 PM

hl&s - 3/30/2010 8:04 PM

Bfish - 3/30/2010 11:53 AM hl&s, again look at the numbers from [bold]your[/bold] link that I posted, steady 48-51 percent all during 2010. Where is the drop?

</p>

</p>

bfish - Again, you posted, and provided the link, thathis approval rating was 61% on March 16th.Look at your above post.</p>

It is now 49%.</p>

Not hard to do the arithmetic.

Yeah but did you actually look at the link that you provided. It showed no change since the start of the year (+ or - 1 pt). Comparing two different polls is apples to oranges.

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I compared what you copied and pasted from your supplied link to the current rating on the same site. If it's apples to oranges then what was your point in posting his 61% rating along with the comparison to other presidents ratings for the same time period in office ?</p>

Obama's rating is currently BELOW both Bush's and Clinton for the same time period and his rating has dropped a Big percentage in the last two weeks. Not apples to oranges but simply showing you the big drop you can't find. It's there to see.</p>

I'm done.</p>

 

[outcaster]

Sniperchoke - 3/30/2010 10:18 PM

outcaster - 3/30/2010 6:45 PM

tie1on - 3/30/2010 12:46 AM

Hey, I have a great idea! Why dont we go to private healthcare. Then everyone can be looked at a case by case basis. emoToast

Oh yea, I hate Aspartame and MSG! They give me migraine headaches! Ill stick with the good ol salt(and lots of it!) and REAL sugar and REAL butter! emoHungry

And that my friends, Is why healthcare it's all mucked up. They do look at it case by case, cherry pick the ones they want to insure, disgard the rest, and you and me pay for the rest of them. I'll also take the other responses as a (YES) I do want them in my insurance pool paying the same rates and taxes as me. I want to continue to pay higher insurance rates because of the choices they make. Aren't you some of the same people wanting to drug test anyone that gets food stamps?

Why don't you address my response I don't want them in my pool or anyone else's. Individuals alone ought to suffer the consequences of their actions. If they are uninsurable they can pay out of pocket, seek private charity, or die. Until our politicians stop trying to legislate intelligence we have no hope of getting out of this mess. And by the way if my house catches on fire why would I want the fire department to come and ruin the rest of it with by dousing it with thousands of gallons of water. As long as me and family are safe and out let it burn to the ground that's why I carry ins.

You said pretty much what I thought you would. The "or die" part was especially touching. I teared up a little. lol

 

[Bfish]

hl&s - 3/31/2010 10:54 AM

>Obama's rating is currently BELOW both Bush's and Clinton for the same time period and his rating has dropped a Big percentage in the last two weeks. Not apples to oranges but simply showing you the big drop you can't find. It's there to see.</p>

I'm done.</p>

You are looking at the graph wrong and comparing two very different matrices. I provided the term average (then 61% and currently 57%) and stated that Obama at this point is higher than Clintons and Bush (and that is still true). You then tried to state that there is drop from last weeks term average by comparing it to a weeks worth of daily averages (49%). However if you look at the long term trend of the weeks worth of daily averages (ie same matrix), you see that there has been no fast drop. You'll have to go back to the end of summer 2009 and compare to the most recent week to find a 2-3 point drop. 3 points over 7-8 month period is not "droves"

 

[tie1on]

outcaster - 3/30/2010 6:45 PM

tie1on - 3/30/2010 12:46 AM

Hey, I have a great idea! Why dont we go to private healthcare. Then everyone can be looked at a case by case basis. emoToast

Oh yea, I hate Aspartame and MSG! They give me migraine headaches! Ill stick with the good ol salt(and lots of it!) and REAL sugar and REAL butter! emoHungry

And that my friends, Is why healthcare it's all mucked up. They do look at it case by case, cherry pick the ones they want to insure, disgard the rest, and you and me pay for the rest of them. I'll also take the other responses as a (YES) I do want them in my insurance pool paying the same rates and taxes as me. I want to continue to pay higher insurance rates because of the choices they make. Aren't you some of the same people wanting to drug test anyone that gets food stamps?

Healthcare definately needs some change, but with the gov takeover we will be paying for those who cant afford it and those who can afford it. Private HC will no longer exist! Taxes are about to go through the roof! Maybe not tomorrow, but real soon! JMO

 

[Sniperchoke]

outcaster - 3/31/2010 7:54 PM

Sniperchoke - 3/30/2010 10:18 PM

outcaster - 3/30/2010 6:45 PM

tie1on - 3/30/2010 12:46 AM

Hey, I have a great idea! Why dont we go to private healthcare. Then everyone can be looked at a case by case basis. emoToast

Oh yea, I hate Aspartame and MSG! They give me migraine headaches! Ill stick with the good ol salt(and lots of it!) and REAL sugar and REAL butter! emoHungry

And that my friends, Is why healthcare it's all mucked up. They do look at it case by case, cherry pick the ones they want to insure, disgard the rest, and you and me pay for the rest of them. I'll also take the other responses as a (YES) I do want them in my insurance pool paying the same rates and taxes as me. I want to continue to pay higher insurance rates because of the choices they make. Aren't you some of the same people wanting to drug test anyone that gets food stamps?

Why don't you address my response I don't want them in my pool or anyone else's. Individuals alone ought to suffer the consequences of their actions. If they are uninsurable they can pay out of pocket, seek private charity, or die. Until our politicians stop trying to legislate intelligence we have no hope of getting out of this mess. And by the way if my house catches on fire why would I want the fire department to come and ruin the rest of it with by dousing it with thousands of gallons of water. As long as me and family are safe and out let it burn to the ground that's why I carry ins.

You said pretty much what I thought you would. The "or die" part was especially touching. I teared up a little. lol

Its time to get out of fantasy land and start addressing reality. There is not enough money in the world to pay for our ageing populations healthcare. Especially when you include the ones that take advantage of the system. If I make a mistake I don't expect anyone in society to pay the consequences except me. More taxes only hinders our economy without preventing the overindulgence.

 

[Eyeman2]

I need car/truck/boat/rv/home/pet insurance, with no visible means of support, except my meager SS check. Obama is gonna have to dip into his private stash, or maybe you fine working class citizens can come up with a plan, maybe the Dems have an answer.( tax everyone more, that's working) and give it to my insurance company, or directly to me. I can be trusted more than a politician. Especially a Dem that's been in for more than 3 terms,OR a president with NO business experience.
We all win,,,DON'T WE ? I'm for it. what say you?

 

[oggism]

So I shouldnt have health insurance cause I smoke and overweight?

 

[Eyeman2]

I don't care what you have. How about all those A I D S people? They pass it around like a kindergarten cold.
That is your choice. Should the government pick & choose, they will. That is the way insurance companies do. That's how they stay in business.
Same as auto insurers. Are they going to insure a driver that has 5, D U I tickets?, or 5 wrecks and a couple of fleeing & resisting arrest? Think not.
If the governemnt takes over another company or industry, why not auto insurance companies.
people insure everything but themselves.

 

[Sniperchoke]

oggism - 4/2/2010 11:50 PM

So I shouldnt have health insurance cause I smoke and overweight?

Wow you hit the nail on the head. If I was an insurance underwriter I would cover you for everything except diagnosis related to smoking and being overweight. Those are the costs for your actions. Would an insurance cover you for fire if you lived on the rim of an active volcano? Would an ins cover you for flood if you live in a flood plain?

 

[Eyeman2]

If you think it's tough getting an appointment with the doctor now, just wait till Obama Care is free and the government runs things.

 

[oggism]

Sniperchoke - 4/4/2010 10:46 PM

oggism - 4/2/2010 11:50 PM

So I shouldnt have health insurance cause I smoke and overweight?

Wow you hit the nail on the head. If I was an insurance underwriter I would cover you for everything except diagnosis related to smoking and being overweight. Those are the costs for your actions. Would an insurance cover you for fire if you lived on the rim of an active volcano? Would an ins cover you for flood if you live in a flood plain?

ok even with extra premiums I pay I still dont deserve health insurance? So my wife shouldnt have insurance cause I am overweight and smoke? And yes insurance would cover me if I lived on the rim of an active volcano and flood insurance (that dont count sorry thats all FEMA) but still they would .... for the right price. The point I am trying to make is if I am willing to pay the extra and not pawn the costs on others then why should it matter what I do with my life?

 

[Sniperchoke]

oggism - 4/5/2010 2:50 PM

Sniperchoke - 4/4/2010 10:46 PM

oggism - 4/2/2010 11:50 PM

So I shouldnt have health insurance cause I smoke and overweight?

Wow you hit the nail on the head. If I was an insurance underwriter I would cover you for everything except diagnosis related to smoking and being overweight. Those are the costs for your actions. Would an insurance cover you for fire if you lived on the rim of an active volcano? Would an ins cover you for flood if you live in a flood plain?

ok even with extra premiums I pay I still dont deserve health insurance? So my wife shouldnt have insurance cause I am overweight and smoke? And yes insurance would cover me if I lived on the rim of an active volcano and flood insurance (that dont count sorry thats all FEMA) but still they would .... for the right price. The point I am trying to make is if I am willing to pay the extra and not pawn the costs on others then why should it matter what I do with my life?

It doesn't matter to me how you live. You should and do (right now) have the freedom to live anyway you want. Insurance is and should be a product it is not a God given right. So that being said just like a rich person usually has a nicer home or car they will also usually have a better ins. policy. Insurance companies should not be expected or regulated to insure anyone. They have the right as I do as a business owner to deny service based on financial risk. So if you had a $200,000.00 home on the rim of an active volcano what do you think your premium would be for a fire insurance policy. If you said $200,000.00 go to the head of the class. So you would have to ask yourself why you had the policy, unless you just like filling out paperwork.

 

[oggism]

Sniperchoke - 4/5/2010 4:06 PM

oggism - 4/5/2010 2:50 PM

Sniperchoke - 4/4/2010 10:46 PM

oggism - 4/2/2010 11:50 PM

So I shouldnt have health insurance cause I smoke and overweight?

Wow you hit the nail on the head. If I was an insurance underwriter I would cover you for everything except diagnosis related to smoking and being overweight. Those are the costs for your actions. Would an insurance cover you for fire if you lived on the rim of an active volcano? Would an ins cover you for flood if you live in a flood plain?

ok even with extra premiums I pay I still dont deserve health insurance? So my wife shouldnt have insurance cause I am overweight and smoke? And yes insurance would cover me if I lived on the rim of an active volcano and flood insurance (that dont count sorry thats all FEMA) but still they would .... for the right price. The point I am trying to make is if I am willing to pay the extra and not pawn the costs on others then why should it matter what I do with my life?

It doesn't matter to me how you live. You should and do (right now) have the freedom to live anyway you want. Insurance is and should be a product it is not a God given right. So that being said just like a rich person usually has a nicer home or car they will also usually have a better ins. policy. Insurance companies should not be expected or regulated to insure anyone. They have the right as I do as a business owner to deny service based on financial risk. So if you had a $200,000.00 home on the rim of an active volcano what do you think your premium would be for a fire insurance policy. If you said $200,000.00 go to the head of the class. So you would have to ask yourself why you had the policy, unless you just like filling out paperwork.

Why should it be a product? Canada, Great Britian, France, etc have FREE healthcare not insurance but health care why can that not be done here. I would be glad to pay $150 per carton of cigarettes or $30 per six pack knowing that it is going to FREE healthcare for all americans

 

[Sniperchoke]

Because profit is what motivates healthcare workers to do a good job. It also drives innovation. Look at the wait times for diagnostics of other countries with nationalized healthcare. Look at the increased cancer reoccurance rates in other countries compared to ours. We also have the best survival rates for cancer than any other country 15% better than Canada and Great Britain mostly because of increased wait times on diagnostics. More people will die of preventative disease with socialized medicine it is no mystery. Have you ever known the gov't to run anything effectively. That is why the free market works better.