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Sniperchoke - 4/5/2010 4:59 PM

Because profit is what motivates healthcare workers to do a good job. It also drives innovation. Look at the wait times for diagnostics of other countries with nationalized healthcare. Look at the increased cancer reoccurance rates in other countries compared to ours. We also have the best survival rates for cancer than any other country 15% better than Canada and Great Britain mostly because of increased wait times on diagnostics. More people will die of preventative disease with socialized medicine it is no mystery. Have you ever known the gov't to run anything effectively. That is why the free market works better.

Well played sir

 

[beetlespin]

Those other countries don't have free healthcare. They pay about 2X as many taxes as we do and that's where the healthcare $ comes from. They also pay about as much for a litre of gas as we pay for a gallon!

 

[foodsaver]

march on to our brave new world... I for one am excited about the prospect of paying my share and then some to make sure everyone has the same quality care that I do. Where do I sign up?

 

[outcaster]

Sniperchoke - 4/5/2010 4:59 PM

Because profit is what motivates healthcare workers to do a good job. It also drives innovation. Look at the wait times for diagnostics of other countries with nationalized healthcare. Look at the increased cancer reoccurance rates in other countries compared to ours. We also have the best survival rates for cancer than any other country 15% better than Canada and Great Britain mostly because of increased wait times on diagnostics. More people will die of preventative disease with socialized medicine it is no mystery. Have you ever known the gov't to run anything effectively. That is why the free market works better.

Talk about Liberals living in a fantasy land!.... Wow. Most in this country are NOT denied care (no-one is dying in the streets, unless you would like to change that) Insurance pays for some, the Gov't for some, and the rest of us pay the balance thru higher premiums and taxes. Under Sniperchoke's health plan, only the healthy, youthful, and wealthy should have good healthcare. What would you do with senior citizens? Oh, I forgot, they too can purchase healthcare coverage from the "free market system" The free market system has failed the American people when it comes to our health. Here's a few facts for ya. Medical bills are the number one reason for bankrupcy, and home foreclosures (not apr mortgages resetting). Despite having the best hospitals, equipment, and people, the USA ranks 37th in the world, and lags far behind on infant mortality and life expectancy. While boasting the 37th worst healthcare system in the world, Americans spend twice as much as any other devoped nation on healthcare. In 2015, one out of every 5 dollars in our economy will be spent on healthcare. Now, the new medical inovation is NOT being done in the USA. We even get our flu vacines from Europe. As far as the Gov't not being able to run anything.... Give me a Break... We trust the gubment to wage war, manage a nuclear defense system, get SS checks out on-time, manage a healthcare system for our senior citizens and Veterans, (which, by the way is more effecient than the "free market system" health insurance providers). Police and fire services and air traffic control to name a few. Perhaps, you would perfer that the CEO's of Chrysler, Bear Stearns, AIG, GM and Citigroup be put in charge of the Nat'l Park Service, FEMA, the Military and the Fed Reserve. This Libertarian, crap may sound good on paper, or in your fantasy world, but may actually work on another planet.

 

[SNUFFY]

if McCain had won, they would all be Republicans again Outcaster

 

[SpurHunter]

Seriously Danny? 37th in the world? Then why do so many people come TO the US for their healthcare issues? It is a known, proven fact that the US has the best trained, and talented medical doctors in the world. And you talk of scare-tactics by Rebublicans? Your basiacly saying that we are all going to die a horrible death by our inferrior medicals profesionals unless we all get on board with Obamacare, which will finally fix all these problems?

I know one major problem it HAS fixed, and I for one am standing up and saying its about dang time!.....sex offenders now get free viagra, so thanks "Obosie"...your a keeper! emoThumbsup emoGrouphug

 

[Sniperchoke]

outcaster - 4/6/2010 9:35 PM

Sniperchoke - 4/5/2010 4:59 PM

Because profit is what motivates healthcare workers to do a good job. It also drives innovation. Look at the wait times for diagnostics of other countries with nationalized healthcare. Look at the increased cancer reoccurrence rates in other countries compared to ours. We also have the best survival rates for cancer than any other country 15% better than Canada and Great Britain mostly because of increased wait times on diagnostics. More people will die of preventative disease with socialized medicine it is no mystery. Have you ever known the gov't to run anything effectively. That is why the free market works better.

Talk about Liberals living in a fantasy land!.... Wow. Most in this country are NOT denied care (no-one is dying in the streets, unless you would like to change that) Insurance pays for some, the Gov't for some, and the rest of us pay the balance thru higher premiums and taxes. Under Sniperchoke's health plan, only the healthy, youthful, and wealthy should have good healthcare. What would you do with senior citizens? Oh, I forgot, they too can purchase healthcare coverage from the "free market system" The free market system has failed the American people when it comes to our health. Here's a few facts for ya. Medical bills are the number one reason for bankrupcy, and home foreclosures (not apr mortgages resetting). Despite having the best hospitals, equipment, and people, the USA ranks 37th in the world, and lags far behind on infant mortality and life expectancy. While boasting the 37th worst healthcare system in the world, Americans spend twice as much as any other devoped nation on healthcare. In 2015, one out of every 5 dollars in our economy will be spent on healthcare. Now, the new medical inovation is NOT being done in the USA. We even get our flu vacines from Europe. As far as the Gov't not being able to run anything.... Give me a Break... We trust the gubment to wage war, manage a nuclear defense system, get SS checks out on-time, manage a healthcare system for our senior citizens and Veterans, (which, by the way is more effecient than the "free market system" health insurance providers). Police and fire services and air traffic control to name a few. Perhaps, you would perfer that the CEO's of Chrysler, Bear Stearns, AIG, GM and Citigroup be put in charge of the Nat'l Park Service, FEMA, the Military and the Fed Reserve. This Libertarian, crap may sound good on paper, or in your fantasy world, but may actually work on another planet.

I don't want to be forced by gov't to pay for anyone that is uninsured. That is called income redistribution. As far as senior citizens go they have had a lifetime to build income for their last six months of life which is usually the most costly as far as healthcare goes. There are also numerous private charities available i.e. Churches, Children's Miracle hospitals, St. Jude's, Shiners hospitals, etc. etc. that are privately funded and do far better work than any VA hospital could ever hope for. I don't believe the W.H.O.'s numbers on 37th in the world because the reporting is bias. Do you really think Castro down in Cuba gives out the correct numbers as far as infant mortality goes? Oh and news flash Danny Flu vaccines have been out for many years and is not the pinnacle of medical innovation anymore. And as far as the gov't being efficient they usually wage war inefficiently, SS is bankrupt, Medicare Bankrupt, VA hospitals are atrocious, air traffic control hasn't even updated to GPS, and all I have to say for FEMA is Katrina, so again go back to the drawing board. Oh and the beauty with the free market is that a company that is not performing can be fired by the client whereas the Gov't cannot be fired.

 

[Guest]

I'm gonna fire everyone that I can in the government this November.

 

[foodsaver]

our infant mortality rate is also a product of the great pre natal care mothers get in this country. In alot of other countries those premies would die before they were ever delivered...

 

[outcaster]

SpurHunter - 4/7/2010 10:35 AM

Seriously Danny? 37th in the world? Then why do so many people come TO the US for their healthcare issues? It is a known, proven fact that the US has the best trained, and talented medical doctors in the world. And you talk of scare-tactics by Rebublicans? Your basiacly saying that we are all going to die a horrible death by our inferrior medicals profesionals unless we all get on board with Obamacare, which will finally fix all these problems?

I know one major problem it HAS fixed, and I for one am standing up and saying its about dang time!.....sex offenders now get free viagra, so thanks "Obosie"...your a keeper! emoThumbsup emoGrouphug

Yes, seriously, our healthcare system ranks 37th in the world. Despite having the best Dr's, Nurses, best equipment and hospitals. The people that are coming here to get medical care, and take full advantage of our top notch facilities are WEALTHY. Americans are flocking to India to recieve affordable medical care, something called "Medical Tourism" http://www.healthtoursindia.com/ I never said our healthcare workers are inferrior, quite the opposite. That's what makes this healthcare mess so frustrating. http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthy_life_table2.html http://www.photius.com/rankings/total_health_expenditure_as_pecent_of_gdp_2000_to_2005.html I'm not just pulling these numbers out of... you know where.

 

[finbully]

cheez - 4/7/2010 10:08 AM

I'm gonna fire everyone that I can in the government this November.

Man I'm glad I'm not an elected government worker. emoRolleyes

Really, I'm on the same page with you cheez

 

[finbully]

[/QUOTE]Yes, seriously, our healthcare system ranks 37th in the world.[/QUOTE]

I bet we would rank higher if we were not providing care to illegals.

 

[Sniperchoke]

outcaster - 4/7/2010 5:39 PM

SpurHunter - 4/7/2010 10:35 AM

Seriously Danny? 37th in the world? Then why do so many people come TO the US for their healthcare issues? It is a known, proven fact that the US has the best trained, and talented medical doctors in the world. And you talk of scare-tactics by Rebublicans? Your basiacly saying that we are all going to die a horrible death by our inferrior medicals profesionals unless we all get on board with Obamacare, which will finally fix all these problems?

I know one major problem it HAS fixed, and I for one am standing up and saying its about dang time!.....sex offenders now get free viagra, so thanks "Obosie"...your a keeper! emoThumbsup emoGrouphug

Yes, seriously, our healthcare system ranks 37th in the world. Despite having the best Dr's, Nurses, best equipment and hospitals. The people that are coming here to get medical care, and take full advantage of our top notch facilities are WEALTHY. Americans are flocking to India to recieve affordable medical care, something called "Medical Tourism" http://www.healthtoursindia.com/ I never said our healthcare workers are inferrior, quite the opposite. That's what makes this healthcare mess so frustrating. http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthy_life_table2.html http://www.photius.com/rankings/total_health_expenditure_as_pecent_of_gdp_2000_to_2005.html I'm not just pulling these numbers out of... you know where.

Your healthtoursindia website just made my exact point. The reason it is low cost is the patients are paying cash on the barrel head wich lowers cost because of competition. Thus the free market works better at lowering cost than the gov't.

 

[Guest]

I wonder if we would still rank 37th if the ranking body did not have an agenda. Somehow I kinda doubt it. Matter of fact I would wager and give odds that when olbummercare takes full effect this ranking will suddenly soar upward whether anything actually changes or not.

 

[tie1on]

cheez - 4/7/2010 9:53 PM

I wonder if we would still rank 37th if the ranking body did not have an agenda. Somehow I kinda doubt it. Matter of fact I would wager and give odds that when olbummercare takes full effect this ranking will suddenly soar upward whether anything actually changes or not.

I heard this BULL on the TV today! We are ranked 37th in healthcare compaired to what!? What other country can you walk into a hospital off the street, at any time, and get the kind of healthcare that you get in the USA? Of course, I have never had to go to the hospital in another country, and I hope to God I never do!

 

[Bfish]

finbully - 4/7/2010 5:42 PM


Man I'm glad I'm not an elected government worker.

Me too. emoPoke

 

[Eyeman2]

Name One (1) thing the government has ever run/taken over that has generated $$..beside taxes, and government jobs.!!
City, County, State, Federal.. the only thing that can get you fired from a government job is the news media, or bringing a gun to work, unless you are in law inforcement..but then, there are all these re-hab programs so you can be cured and keep your 401K.
If you want health care insurance, go buy it, it's like car insurance, home and life insurance. If you don't have it, you are a risk taker, and that's up to you not ME.
The poorist people in America are some of the richest in the World.