Aquatic Herbicide spraying at Harrison Bay

[elwestb]

finbully - 9/20/2012 10:39 AM

TVA is not paying for the spraying, nor are they applying the poisons to our waterways. Landowners, marina operators and local governments are doing this.

I'm sorry but that's WRONG! At the last meeting with TVA, last year, I attended along with many other CFF members present, their spokesperson did state that TVA would indeed pay for and spray around marinas, commercial dock, ramps and swimming areas. Private land and dock owners could apply for and acquire a permit to spray at their own expense. They also stated that the chemical Sonar {spl?} which is what TVA used to eradicate the grass back in the 80's is now totally and competely illegal to used. It's use now is in violation of the EPA.

 

[elwestb]

Buoy-Master - 9/20/2012 9:05 PM

MagicMan72 - 9/20/2012 8:53 PM I have nothing against the rich, or the poor, or the red, white, yellow or green, but anyone who doesn't question the use of poison chemicals in our water system cant be thinking straight.

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 Yup. Well said. </p>

... I think that this is still subject related. Did you know that Hamilton County has one of the highest percentages of child related cancer in the Nation? St. Jude Hospital, every year, has the largest percentage of their patients coming from Hamilton County Tennessee!? I have first hand information from St. Jude on that. Now they accept people from all over the Nation. Does anyone ever wonder why Hamilton County? Hummmmm

 

[FishinMagician]

elwestb - 9/24/2012 6:59 PM

Buoy-Master - 9/20/2012 9:05 PM

MagicMan72 - 9/20/2012 8:53 PM I have nothing against the rich, or the poor, or the red, white, yellow or green, but anyone who doesn't question the use of poison chemicals in our water system cant be thinking straight.

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 Yup. Well said. </p>

... I think that this is still subject related. Did you know that Hamilton County has one of the highest percentages of child related cancer in the Nation? St. Jude Hospital, every year, has the largest percentage of their patients coming from Hamilton County Tennessee!? I have first hand information from St. Jude on that. Now they accept people from all over the Nation. Does anyone ever wonder why Hamilton County? Hummmmm

Exactly, Just because a product is EPA approved does not mean it is safe, it just means that the EPA considers the level of risk, safety, and long term effects to the environment and human health is at an acceptable level when using these products. It is sad that any risk is based on an acceptable level, but it is very true in today's world.

 

[Buoy-Master]

Racefish - 9/24/2012 2:35 PM I think some of the lake front home owners have forgotten one thing. You bought the property next to the lake and obtained a permit to build whatever dock you want to over the water. You don't own the water under the dock or around it.

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Further more, they don't technically own the dock they built either. Unless they apply and post a private permit, anyone can pull up and use the dock. Unethical but legal!</p>

 

[the maddog]

Thank you Earl and Fishing Magician,your three replies to this threadare the first ones that relate directly to what I intended to post about the 'aquatic spraying'. I watched how it affected the baitfish, bream, and bass that were in the area at the time of application of the chemicals, that in turn affected the habits of the herons and ospreys. I didnt mean to get a "catarwall" started and offend some members that have such a strong issue towards the subject, although some good information has prevailed if you read between the lines.

 

[finbully]

elwestb - 9/24/2012 6:47 PM

finbully - 9/20/2012 10:39 AM

TVA is not paying for the spraying, nor are they applying the poisons to our waterways. Landowners, marina operators and local governments are doing this.

I'm sorry but that's WRONG! At the last meeting with TVA, last year, I attended along with many other CFF members present, their spokesperson did state that TVA would indeed pay for and spray around marinas, commercial dock, ramps and swimming areas. Private land and dock owners could apply for and acquire a permit to spray at their own expense. They also stated that the chemical Sonar {spl?} which is what TVA used to eradicate the grass back in the 80's is now totally and competely illegal to used. It's use now is in violation of the EPA.

No, I am not wrong - and you are correct from a past perspective. TVA paid for some spraying in FY11 (there was approximately $24,000 budgeted for spraying). The meetings you attended pertained to FY11. There is no funding for FY12 (Oct 01, 2011 until Sep 30, 2012). I doubt any dollars will be funded for aquatic herbicides for FY13 either. Also, the fish surveying is being scaled back which is not necessarily a good thing in my opinion.

 

[488.5]

Buoy-Master - 9/24/2012 8:55 PM

Racefish - 9/24/2012 2:35 PM I think some of the lake front home owners have forgotten one thing. You bought the property next to the lake and obtained a permit to build whatever dock you want to over the water. You don't own the water under the dock or around it.

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 Further more, they don't technically own the dock they built either. Unless they apply and post a private permit, anyone can pull up and use the dock. Unethical but legal! </p>

Please show me that in writing. Why? Because you CAN'T. Any permitted dock is private property, and does NOT have to be "posted". And what you refer to as "unethical" should have been described as "dangerous". Using a private dock with that attitude will definitely get you hurt. I have invited bass boats to use one of my covered slips several times when the weather is bad. I talk to them and have offered them shelter more than once. And I will continue to do so. You never know ... you may have been one of them. Be careful who you insult.

 

[churly]

You should be careful spouting out venom when your screen name lets these guys know where the dock might be down to the 1/10th of a mile.

 

[ranger23]

Hair Jig, are you still threatening people?
Telling people they better beware who they insult?
Come to your house and say it to your face?
I don't get it. No need for that in a debate.

 

[488.5]

ranger23 - 10/3/2012 7:27 PM

Hair Jig, are you still threatening people?
Telling people they better beware who they insult?
Come to your house and say it to your face?
I don't get it. No need for that in a debate.

Agreed. And no need to call people "stupid" either just because they disagree with my statements. It's easy to be mean and bad when you're sitting at a computer with no fear of being "corrected". Perhaps I came on a little brash, but I'm a member on several fishing/boating forums and I've never been called "stupid". There are far better ways to post a rebuttal than to come off as a mad school kid on the playground. Discussions are supposed to be just that ... discussions. Any other rhetoric like saying an opinion is "stupid" or classifying people as "rich" (or poor, for that matter) isn't being a mature debater. You gain far more respect for your opinion by standing on YOUR points rather than resorting to name calling and other insults. Comes with maturity, I suppose. Fishin Fool ... I apologize if I stepped over the line ... But just for the record ... let's backtrack a little bit ...

Fishin Fool - 9/19/2012 9:11 AM

If you have something useful to say about this issue, fine, but to suggest that " you're jealous of some other people's success and are just using this as an excuse to vent your own personal financial frustrations" is stupid.

There's ONE time .... And it was a rebuttal to your "rich" comment.

Fishin Fool - 9/22/2012 4:57 PM



Your posts make the case each time you write. Quote: "Sounds to me like you're jealous of some other people's success and are just using this as an excuse to vent your own personal financial frustrations". That is stupid statement.

There's the SECOND time. Same scenario.

Now I don't know if you guys always gang up on someone who doesn't agree with one of your friend's opinions all the time or not, but I take offense to being called stupid. Only an uninformed person would resort to that type of language. You'd be far better served leaving out the descriptive words when referring to someone directly.

kingcab - 9/17/2012 7:01 PM

tva does not care what goes into our waterways as long as the rich are happy.Sad we have to live under these conditions.

TVA doesn't care? Really? Remember that TVA employees fish, hunt, and drink the water also. Some live on the river. Saying they don't care is a bit bold.

churly - 10/3/2012 6:42 PM

You should be careful spouting out venom when your screen name lets these guys know where the dock might be down to the 1/10th of a mile.

Churly, that only tells me what you think about the membership on here. Do you think that someone here would come to my house and do damage or something because of my opinion about the vegetation and my refusal to be insulted? Doesn't say very much about your opinion of the membership here if that is the case.

Look guys .... I like the vegetation as much as the next guy. I fish it and will continue to do so as long as it is available. But honestly it isn't on my list of "important" issues in life. I'll get by just fine whether it is here or not. There are FAR more important things going on in the world for me to get all in a wad about some vegetation in the lake. As for the "poison in our waters" issue, you can rest assured that whatever agency or company is doing the spraying is going by the rules. If they weren't, EPA would be on their backside immediately. And EPA has no friends when it comes to these things. I would be far more concerned about the large amounts of chloride and other chemicals that are put in our drinking water EVERY SINGLE DAY ON PURPOSE by the government. If you want a real issue to be concerned about, do some research on that topic and see what you find.

 

[churly]

No buddy I think someone might come to your house and stomp a hole in you if you invite them up, to do as you stated"...to my face..." Someone might take you up on that offer.

As for what I think about the membership here, Its a public forum so there are plenty of steers and queers, but also some of my close friends post on here.

Just to remind you, unless you are running a drinking well, these chemicals are being dumped into the water supply. My two little girls have to drink that water. Therefore I will fight TVA, You and any other stuck up lakeside property owner till I fall over to keep these chemicals out of the system. FDA approves them I know, but they also approve cigarettes....Just sayin'

 

[derek81]

If 488.5 is Hairjig that explains enough for me, I'm sure I could dig up the 6 month old post where he started the same type of argument with me over someone eating a small mouth......different name but same argumentative person.

 

[488.5]

churly - 10/4/2012 7:20 AM

No buddy I think someone might come to your house and stomp a hole in you if you invite them up, to do as you stated"...to my face..." Someone might take you up on that offer.

As for what I think about the membership here, Its a public forum so there are plenty of steers and queers, but also some of my close friends post on here.

Just to remind you, unless you are running a drinking well, these chemicals are being dumped into the water supply. My two little girls have to drink that water. Therefore I will fight TVA, You and any other stuck up lakeside property owner till I fall over to keep these chemicals out of the system. FDA approves them I know, but they also approve cigarettes....Just sayin'

First off ... I'm way to old to take an ass-whoopin. Castle doctrine goes a long way.

Your fight to take the chemicals out of the water is a good thing. I have a child also. And a wife with health problems. I don't approve of it any more than anyone else. But it's a fight that isn't going to be won. The grass is a navigation hazard in a few places. They are going to spray it. And they should. But unfortunately that simply opens the door to allow them to spray other areas also. Until there is another viable way to remove the vegetation in the problem areas like harvesting, etc it isn't going to stop. I wish they could simply cut it out with a large blade. That would keep everyone happy. But until they come up with a way to do that, we're probably stuck with the current situation.

And I'm not a stuck up property owner (you must be directing that at me, right?). Like I said ... I invite guys into one of my slips regularly. They've been told that they're always welcome to take shelter here. That's the proper way to treat people. I'm not hard to get along with and I treat folks as I want to be treated. When there's a storm brewing people always seek out my dock for shelter because it's easily accessible. Sometimes all of the slips are occupied, and they tie up and get out on the dock. And that's OK. I always go out and put them at ease by telling them they're welcome to be there, and usually chat a while. I'm not an asshole and I'm easy to get along with. But whenever someone calls me stupid or otherwise challenges me I will respond in kind. Sorry if I upset the masses by defending myself.

 

[488.5]

derek81 - 10/4/2012 7:27 AM

If 488.5 is Hairjig that explains enough for me, I'm sure I could dig up the 6 month old post where he started the same type of argument with me over someone eating a small mouth......different name but same argumentative person.

Sorry ... but I don't know who "Hair Jig" is. emoScratch

 

[derek81]

488.5 - 10/4/2012 7:41 AM

derek81 - 10/4/2012 7:27 AM

If 488.5 is Hairjig that explains enough for me, I'm sure I could dig up the 6 month old post where he started the same type of argument with me over someone eating a small mouth......different name but same argumentative person.

Sorry ... but I don't know who "Hair Jig" is. emoScratch

I thought maybe you were another member with a new screen name, if not then no worries. Some of your posts sounded a lot like him.

 

[488.5]

Derek, Fishin Fool, Churly, and others ......

http://chattanoogafishingforum.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=67418&posts=1&start=1

 

[WOBBLE HEAD]

488.5 - 9/19/2012 6:13 AM

kingcab - 9/17/2012 7:01 PM Agree with Churly,tva does not care what goes into our waterways as long as the rich are happy.Sad we have to live under these conditions.

Hmmmm .... I didn't know that "The Rich" had anything to do with it? Sounds to me like you're jealous of some other people's success and are just using this as an excuse to vent your own personal financial frustrations .......

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I can't believe that any one who fishes or uses Chickamauga lake for any reason could make a statement like this. The land owners who are rich are the ones in control.......And it's reallya shamethat most of the land owners only want to look at the water, instead of use the water, and could care less about the people using the water or what's in the water. They need to thing about what' the water is doing to their little lap dogs that they let swim in the water.</p>

 

[488.5]

WOBBLE HEAD - 10/4/2012 2:48 PM

.......And it's really a shame that most of the land owners only want to look at the water, instead of use the water, and could care less about the people using the water or what's in the water. They need to thing about what' the water is doing to their little lap dogs that they let swim in the water. </p>

It amazes me how anyone can be so judgmental about a group of people that they don't even know. THAT is the type of post that gets things going in a downward spiral ........

You know the kind of posts like you can read in other places ..... "Those bass fishermen think they own the lake. Their glittery boats and 1000 HP motors ripping around our docks at breakneck speeds. Every one of them owns 12 fishing rods and they have them all out on the deck for everyone to see. They need to put a 35 MPH speed limit on the entire lake before those race boats get another person killed. They don't fish, they just run all over the lake trying to show off. And if they come around here running like that when my lap dog is swimming ....."

Well, you get the idea. The fishing community as a whole can/will gain more support if we refrain from that practice. Just saying .....

 

[WOBBLE HEAD]

One thing I don't understand (other than money is connected). Is why here, in the south T.V.A. and the E.P.A. will let these chemicals be put in the water. Because in our nation capital, in and around the Washington D.C. area. They are not allowed to spray any chemicals in the water. The land owners can pay to have the grass cut from their property line to the channel, but not sprayed. Why will E.P.A. allow it to be done here and not in Washington D.C. our capital.

 

[488.5]

WOBBLE HEAD - 10/4/2012 3:54 PM

One thing I don't understand (other than money is connected). Is why here, in the south T.V.A. and the E.P.A. will let these chemicals be put in the water. Because in our nation capital, in and around the Washington D.C. area. They are not allowed to spray any chemicals in the water. The land owners can pay to have the grass cut from their property line to the channel, but not sprayed. Why will E.P.A. allow it to be done here and not in Washington D.C. our capital.

Good question. One that needs an answer.