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churly - 5/11/2012 6:42 AM
Fishin Fool - 5/11/2012 2:05 AM Not to hijack a thread, but instead of worrying about who is eating what fish, we need to be concentrating on the nets that are springing up like mushrooms all over the chick and the river. I was on the river this week and saw commercial people running nets from the dam all the way down past the bend. They are letting the net hang on unmarked plastic bottles, which is a violation. They should be clearly labeled but aren't. The nets are strung from one side to the other, which is a violation. This one issue, with a couple of others, is having a huge impact on the fishery. Not knocking TWRA but I called the 800 number, only to be told "they'd check it out". They asked for boat numbers, but the boat running had no numbers that I could see, which is another violation. Now politicians with favors to fill want to abolish TWRA entirely. If we don't get on top of the commercial violations, the violations of creel limits by non-licensed, non-caring so called "food" fishermen on the bank, most of which are from other countries where they just don't care, we aren't going to have to worry about debating about eating a fish or not, because there aren't going to be any. Perhaps TWRA can weigh in here and tell us what the solution is to this problem. When you drift down the river and see 6 guys sitting on the bank, putting EVERYTHING they catch into a 5 gallon bucket, of which they have 5 or 6, you know there is a problem. I'm sure they don't bother having these debates or buying a license. Check out the riverpark sometime or just below the dam. Notice how fast these guys leave if they see a TWRA boat. They have no concern about what they are doing, because it's all about them. Sorry for the hijack.
as this forum has proved, its not just bank fishermen who are keeping bucket loads.
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That's a serious stretch. Your saying that anyone ontheside of eatingoccasionalbass illegally keepsbucketfuls?</p>
 
nope spur. im saying that its not just immigrants on the bank who keeps buckets full. but also some folks out in high dollar bass boats, as exhibited by billys report 2 weeks ago.
 
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churly - 5/11/2012 10:22 AM nope spur. im saying that its not just immigrants on the bank who keeps buckets full. but also some folks out in high dollar bass boats, as exhibited by billys report 2 weeks ago.
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Not a bucketful, he kept a legal limit that was increased in one very specific area to HELP the bass you catch for TX's. Your saying because he kepttheLEGAL limit of one smallmouth per person, thatconstitutesa "bucketful"?</p>
 
you guys need to agree to disagree! I have enjoyed watching this flame war go on, but it has kind of come full circle now. At least y'all don't live somewhere like Ohio, where they have to drive for miles to fish...and the fishing aint that good!
 
the point was that its not just bank fishermen that keep a bunch of bass. billy didnt help anything, especially the smallies.

im done wasting my time trying do anything to help the fishery around here. yall eat em up and have fun.
 
churly - 5/11/2012 10:52 AM

im done wasting my time trying do anything to help the fishery around here. yall eat em up and have fun.

I know you don't mean that, or at least I hope you don't!? Your passion for conserving the sport enables people to eat a few without negative impacts. I am thankful for your efforts! Don't let a few on this forum ruin your love for bass fishing! At the same time though, you will have to accept that some are going to kill and eat bass. Freedom of speech allows them to post about it, and allows you to voice your opinion. Maybe you should switch your agenda to selective harvest instead of a no kill fishery? Try to meet in the middle, and still get your point across.....just a thought.
 
Its funny to me that fishermen think to be a "conservator" of their favorite species they can't be consumptive users of the resource. Hunters have been highly successful "conservators" and 100% consumptive on the game they take for decades.
 
I don't see any purpose in fishing if you aren't going to eat them. Seems like a terrible waste of time otherwise. This is a 100% honest answer.

Then again I actually enjoy being around my wife too.
 
jon the fisherman - 5/11/2012 11:50 AM
We don't have bass tags or a season! So this is not an accurate comparison!

There are squirrel tags? or rabbit?
No need for a bass season when the water is 52F in winter and the entire water table has been dropped 6 feet.

In some respects you are right however...the rules for fishing are much more highly studied, legislated, and complicated.

The whole argument that people who actually eat the fish they catch should be marginalized by those who consider themselves "true" fishermen is laughable at best, and mentally deficient at worst. Then again who am I to argue against folks buying $40,000 worth of gear to enjoy their sport? It sure helps the economy and provides money for TWRA to use resources that allow me to eat tasty fish.
 
jon the fisherman - 5/11/2012 11:50 AM

I_Like_Pie - 5/11/2012 11:36 AM

I also agree with what sanders above me stated. Hunting is a 100% catch program and it is successful.

We don't have bass tags or a season! So this is not an accurate comparison!

You have limits which equals restraints. Just like hunting has restraints. Its definitely comparable.

This argument is just like the I don't shoot hen ducks argument. look at Canada geese. I don't know a single hunter that can identify a hen vs bull Canada Goose on the wing and yet their numbers are continuing to increase.

This thread has more to do with personal ethics and tactics than conservation.
 
I don't see hundreds of hunters out in the woods every weekend all year, year after year killing every bass they catch. Yes we do have restraints, but one lake in the Tennessee River has 1000 times more bass than catoosa WMA has deer. That is why I don't think you can compare hunting deer,rabbit,or squirrel, to bass fishing from a conservation standpoint. Just think if deer hunting went year round with a limit of five per hunter every day....there would be a shortage of deer!

I am for selective harvest of fish, we don't want stunted growth or disease...So eat what you need from a legal limit and leave the rest.
 
Biilly has been ripped because of filleting a nice smallmouth. I wonder if he would have received the same bashing if he won a CBA (or any tournament) with that smallmouth included in the bag and it just so happened to have died at some point during the day?
 
If your relying on seeing everything you are able to understand this will be a short conversation.....

If the limit was detrimental to the fishery then it would be adjusted. Its been done time and time again in size limits and possession limits.
 
I love the fact that I'm mentioned in this by keeping what was legal. Easy trigger. ;)
 
Jim, your forgetting that different lakes and even just portions of some lakes and rivers, have differing limits, creel and length, due to TWRA management based on creel and shocking surveys.

Unit L has a 3 doe/day limit, yet the heard keeps increasing, and they are adding more counties to the unit hoping to keep the population in check.

Its harder to visually inspect the bass population on any given body of water as opposed to deer, so its pretty difficult to say without being trained that fish populations are up/down/stable. So I trust the biologists are doing it correctly due to catch rates and TX results.
 
The other point I have to make is....Why eat game bass? That is like walking into a buffet, sitting down, and then eating your shoe. There are much better things to eat in the wonderful Tennessee rivers. Then again I suppose that some people do it.

Most largemouth (like 99%) never make it to the dinner plate. They are eaten by prey when they are small, get old and starve to death during the winter, or are boogered up by fisherman and starve/die of infection. Even if fishermen did eat as many as they could catch on a hook....I think you are vastly underestimating the healthy population of fish.
 
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