Gulf Oil Spill

[beetlespin]

You are a wise old fart Mr EricM.

 

[Possum]

For one, I don't want to stop offshore drilling. In the end I think BP will do the right thing. I think we do need to stop deep shore drilling until we have better back up plans. Worse case senereo should have had a back up plan. Just my two cents for what it is worth.

 

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JSV - 5/28/2010 12:57 AM

outcaster - 5/27/2010 10:40 AM

jack84 - 5/27/2010 10:20 PM LMAO! 250,000 gpd wow......yea drill baby drill! Sarah palin must have been "slammed" on her head.

Don't laugh too hard..... this same bunch want's to take back Congress this fall and the White House in 2012.

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<span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Verdana">Define those folks!!!!emoScratch It appears that about 98%+ on every hunting or fishing site I visit, support a conservative approach over this socialist agenda! </span></p><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Verdana">Bi-patiisian (what a joke)!!!!

 </p></span><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Verdana">DICKtator maybe!!!

 </p></span><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Verdana">Take a look around! The American people want to take it back!!!!  The Lord willing and THE Creeks don't rise, the people will take it back from this socialist AGENDA!!!

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<span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Verdana">If it means "Drill Baby Drill" then so be it!</span></p><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Verdana">The situation with the oil is in itself devastation but we will recover!

 </p></span><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Verdana">What we won’t recover from is .....If.... we let N. Korea get nukes or we don't support Israel (#1 Israel) and this administration is turning a deaf ear toward the chosen people!

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Take it back??????? Your side just had it from 2000 til 2008. The White House 8 years, Houses of Congress for 6 years. What did your side give us???? They turned a budget surplus into a huge deficit. 2 Wars, and a Wall Street, and economy collapse. What will your side give us next time? Oh I know.... It's gonna be different this time... There's your JOKE!

 

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EricM - 5/28/2010 6:15 PM

beetlespin - 5/28/2010 3:12 PM

This spill is not the governments fault!! Its BP's fault. BP should pay for it as well.

Agreed!!!! It's their responsibility.

The problen I have with all of this is that there was an accident and now a lot of folks want to stop offshore drilling. How about we learn from it and improve equipment and safety standards rather than scream "stop". Using this logic, after the Exxon shipping oil spill there would be no more oil brought in, after an airline accident we would stop using airplanes, because of a car accident we would have no more cars, there would be no bridges, dams, roads, nuke plants, bass boats, or even houses. I just think we could all use some moderation in discussing things like this rather than just blame a one political party or another for having "allowed" the bridge to be built, the car to be manufactured, or the houses to exist.

I don't want to stop offshore drilling either,and we can't throw the baby out with the bathwater, but the prevailing attitude of profits before safety and the environment have to stop. After this mess, (of Biblical Proportion) is first capped, then cleaned up, we need to take a long hard look at at the benefits/risks of offshore oil drilling so close to our shores. Not business as usual.

 

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Bprice - 5/28/2010 12:06 PM

Possum - 5/28/2010 9:55 AM Am I getting this right. So, the same folks on here screaming less government, less regulation, are now on here a month later singing a different tune. Funny how people don't want government until it is convienent to them.

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Captain Twist is at it again!  I think folks are asking for the government in place to DO THEIR JOB.  Not asking for more government.</p>

I agree with this and will expand a little more, the LOCAL government is trying to fix the problem, the FEDERAL government is standing in the way. "Let's burn the oil", EPA's answer, after two weeks, "nope, can't do that. It will cause air pollution." ..."Let's build barrier islands to keep the oil out of the marshes, or at least slow down the progression." EPA, after two weeks, "nope, can't dredge because it will destroy the eco system," The President finally gave "limited permission" for the barrier islands. The problem with letting the Feds take anything over is, no one has the cajones to actually make a decision.

and then we have President Obama, "I'm not playing the blame game, but it's BP's Fault and they will pay ....yada, yada

Another Obamaism, "I'm taking responsibility for this accident, but it's previous administrations fault. "Way to take responsibility there, Bucko.

Honestly, the best thing Obama and Co. could do is support Jindal and the other coastal states deal with this, because they live there and have a better idea of what to do. It's pretty obvious no one in DC has a clue, and the idiot from Chicago that has never even been around an oil rig definitely doesn't

Another little rant on the same subject, those on here complaining about offshore drilling should look at their own habits that make it a necessary evil. I'm talking about the gas you use to get to the lake, the gas you use on the lake, those wonderful nylon fishing shirts that dry quickly (yup, they are petroleum products, any plastics you use fishing? yup another petroleum product. The list goes on and on.

And last, but not least. Has anyone noticed that when they speak about the oil being released into the Gulf, they speak in 'gallons'? And when they speak of the Exxon Valdez they talk about 'barrels'?

Sorry for the rants but I do feel much better now.

 

[Bprice]

Bfish - 5/28/2010 12:07 PM

Bprice - 5/28/2010 11:05 AM Who is going to pay for the initial increase in vehicle cost, and complete vehicle replacement? Companies aren't going to eat it, they will push it down to the consumers. Now, granted once that initial investment is made they will see fuel consumption drop, which in turn should level out the pricing, but as you've said before, once they have conditioned the purchasing public to the cost increase (fuel costs now, we get giddy when we see $2.50 gas) they will not drop to the original cost. Maybe thats just the way I see it.

hmm not really. If the companies had been paying attention, fuel cost are rising. Profit margins are higher on fuel efficient vehicles largely due to demand. By requiring new CAFE standards, all this does is move the target date for release sooner. Sure there is more R and D cost, and sure the price of the vehicle will increase but the profit margin will too, so no net loss. Fuel prices will not go down, population is rising and global demand is increasing and will override any efficiencies gained. It doesn't help that Chavez's of the world, no longer sale to the US. Reason is simple, their are plenty of buyers elsewhere in the global market, they no longer need US buying power. Peak Oil could very well be here and society changes will be coming.

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I don't disagree with most of your post. However, when those profit margins start to shrink prices will go up, and they won't come back down. I don't know how you can argue against that which is my point.</p>

I think we are nowhere near Chavez cutting his oil off to America. That would take his withdraw from OPEC, or OPEC ceasing to provide Americans with Oil. I believe this to be true. I don't think OPEC is ready to cut out 30-40% of its market.</p>

 

[Bprice]

Possum - 5/28/2010 12:52 PM

Bprice - 5/28/2010 11:06 AM

Possum - 5/28/2010 9:55 AM Am I getting this right. So, the same folks on here screaming less government, less regulation, are now on here a month later singing a different tune. Funny how people don't want government until it is convienent to them.

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Captain Twist is at it again! I think folks are asking for the government in place to DO THEIR JOB. Not asking for more government.</p>

So are you saying regulate, or government interfere with business? Is that government doing their job? Why is my tax dollars going to clean up something BP did? These are the questions Republicans usually ask. Unless we are going to war of course, can wrap a flag around that and sell it.

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No. there are governement regulators that HAVE THE JOB OF CONFIRMING THE COMPANIES ARE PERFORMING THE CORRECT SAFETY MEASURES. Its their JOB. I'm not saying take over, or interfere, I'm saying do your job that was already assigned. </p>

I work in Missile Defense. I am a government employee. My job is to assure that Raytheon produces safe, cost effective missiles, and missiles that provide the US and its Military with the level of defense needed for our current threats (which there are a lot). I know what it takes to be a USG Employee and what we are supposed to do. </p>

The regulators who missed, or IGNORED BP's deliquency have oil on their hands too.</p>

With that being said, the final finger points right at BP (like BS and EricM said), BUT the regulators who's job is to affirm that BP was following the correct processes have a portion of the blame.</p>

 

[Bprice]

Possum - 5/28/2010 12:52 PM

Bprice - 5/28/2010 11:06 AM

Possum - 5/28/2010 9:55 AM Am I getting this right. So, the same folks on here screaming less government, less regulation, are now on here a month later singing a different tune. Funny how people don't want government until it is convienent to them.

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Captain Twist is at it again! I think folks are asking for the government in place to DO THEIR JOB. Not asking for more government.</p>

So are you saying regulate, or government interfere with business? Is that government doing their job? Why is my tax dollars going to clean up something BP did? These are the questions Republicans usually ask. Unless we are going to war of course, can wrap a flag around that and sell it.

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Also, I'm not a Republican, so please refrain from putting me in that category.</p>

 

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Eyeman2 - 5/28/2010 12:11 PM

Not more government, just more inspections of the regs the government has already put forth. Like the Border, inforce what you have put on paper. That's all.
Palin was talking about drilling in AK. where the ocean floor is only 150 feet deep. As usual the Dems want to put a spin on the words.
Wild guess: you're a union member Possum, maybe?
Look at Greece, MORE GOVERNMENT caused the country to collapse. More $$ going out than coming in...ponzi scheme/unions.
It's hard to justify a paycheck with outragous perks when you produce no product.
When gas is $5 per gallon, then it's too late to drill. One new refinery has/is being built in the last 20 years in the US, consumption has increased 100% in 20 years.
When the bubble burst the unions just let the governemnt take over all the retiries benfits, which is paid for by tax payers,,,we get ripped before , during and after the fact. Sooner or later the country will fail, and that is what the Progressive/Democrats want. Look it up, it started in 1915.

First off, you need to get your information straight...... The "Drill Baby Drill", and "Drill Here, Drill Now" comments by Sarah Palin, were made IN Florida, ABOUT Florida.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rn2Tyh6b5dE No Democrat SPIN here! Second, If you, or anyone you care about works a 40 hr work week, has a paid vacation, paid sick days, job provided healthcare and life insurance coverage, workers compensation, un-employment insurance, and OSHA Standards, you should simply thank a Labor Union. Third, perhaps you need to re-visit American History in the 20th Century. EVERY good Idea has been a Liberal idea. Bet you can't come up with 5 specific good Conservative IDEAS that have positively effected the lives of average Americans (Look it up). A simple Thank You would suffice.

 

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Bprice - 5/28/2010 7:39 PM

Possum - 5/28/2010 12:52 PM

Bprice - 5/28/2010 11:06 AM

Possum - 5/28/2010 9:55 AM Am I getting this right. So, the same folks on here screaming less government, less regulation, are now on here a month later singing a different tune. Funny how people don't want government until it is convienent to them.

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Captain Twist is at it again!  I think folks are asking for the government in place to DO THEIR JOB.  Not asking for more government.</p>

So are you saying regulate, or government interfere with business? Is that government doing their job? Why is my tax dollars going to clean up something BP did? These are the questions Republicans usually ask. Unless we are going to war of course, can wrap a flag around that and sell it.

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Also, I'm not a Republican, so please refrain from putting me in that category.</p>

Well you jumped in on me without me quoting you, one would make that asumption. However, I do not blame you for not wanting to be confused as a Republican. In the future I will make note of that. Not sure I ever pointed you out, like you did me, but if I did I am sorry. Captain twist, child please?

 

[Bfish]

Bprice - 5/28/2010 7:28 PM

I don't disagree with most of your post.  However, when those profit margins start to shrink prices will go up, and they won't come back down.

Isn't that just inflation?  

I don't know how you can argue against that which is my point.

my point was that gas prices will not level, they will only increase.

I think we are nowhere near Chavez cutting his oil off to America.

That depends largely on if you believe his rhetoric (IMO).  

That would take his withdraw from OPEC, or OPEC ceasing to provide Americans with Oil.  I believe this to be true.  I don't think OPEC is ready to cut out 30-40% of its market.

I thought the number was closer to 50% of OPEC sells are to US. Chavez only produces less than 8% of OPEC total. I could see him easily defecting, especially if a block of others also defected at the same time (say Iran) to start a "new" OPEC. Demand is increasing in China and India, so new market opportunities exist.

 

[Bprice]

Possum - 5/28/2010 10:10 PM

Bprice - 5/28/2010 7:39 PM

Possum - 5/28/2010 12:52 PM

Bprice - 5/28/2010 11:06 AM

Possum - 5/28/2010 9:55 AM Am I getting this right. So, the same folks on here screaming less government, less regulation, are now on here a month later singing a different tune. Funny how people don't want government until it is convienent to them.

</p>

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Captain Twist is at it again! I think folks are asking for the government in place to DO THEIR JOB. Not asking for more government.</p>

So are you saying regulate, or government interfere with business? Is that government doing their job? Why is my tax dollars going to clean up something BP did? These are the questions Republicans usually ask. Unless we are going to war of course, can wrap a flag around that and sell it.

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Also, I'm not a Republican, so please refrain from putting me in that category.</p>

Well you jumped in on me without me quoting you, one would make that asumption. However, I do not blame you for not wanting to be confused as a Republican. In the future I will make note of that. Not sure I ever pointed you out, like you did me, but if I did I am sorry. Captain twist, child please?

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Captain Twist was a joke, should've but an emopoke or something.</p>