Leftists, Progressives and Socialists

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Possum - 11/15/2010 5:34 PM
We did not get the job done, you happy.

Absolutely not! I am not happy that nothing positive got done by a group of people who got elected on promises of "hope and change" I am saddened that so many millions of people got duped into believing that someone with NO EXPERIENCE got the job of fixing a wreck. I am also saddened by the fact that there are STILL some who believe the false promises even after witnessing the falsehoods.

Some wrecks you just can't fix overnight.

Especially when you create multiplied new wrecks before even attempting to repair the original wreck.

 

[Guest]

Possum - 11/15/2010 5:48 PM

cheez - 11/15/2010 1:12 PM

Olbummer was well on the way to his dictatorship until 11/2/2010.

If you want to talk about preying on stupid people let us discuss exactly what the demonrats have done for the last say 30 years or so. Exactly what have they done for the "working people"? They have made hundreds of promises but from where I am all I can see them doing is creating class hatred and stifling the entrepeneur. All they want is for the stupid masses to vote them into more and more power and control. For everything the democrats have given you they have taken away freedom from someone to do it.

Just read the top statement, says it all. For a guy that had total control and the ability to do nothing, I can see how he was on his way to a dictatorship. Try again.

olbummer HAD total control. At least his demonrat party did. The problem was that they were too stupid to make the positive hay while the sun was on them. Instead they made rotten hay with the so called healthcare junk while the economy continued the nosedive. Against the will of the majority of Americans too I might add. That is why they lost their total control. If they do not make some positve moves in the next two years they will lose what power they have now as well.

 

[Sniperchoke]

Possum - 11/15/2010 4:41 PM

Sniperchoke - 11/15/2010 4:28 PM

Here is how big gov't helps the working class. http://stossel.blogs.foxbusiness.com/2010/11/15/crushing-entrepreneurs/

Fox, you cannot be serious?

O.K. here is one from CBS maybe you will believe them. This is a perfect example of how big govt hampers business. And also an example of them having their hand in all of our pockets and how stupid gov't really is. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/08/06/ap/strange/main6748628.shtml

 

[oggism]

Sniperchoke - 11/16/2010 12:18 PM

Possum - 11/15/2010 4:41 PM

Sniperchoke - 11/15/2010 4:28 PM

Here is how big gov't helps the working class. http://stossel.blogs.foxbusiness.com/2010/11/15/crushing-entrepreneurs/

Fox, you cannot be serious?

O.K. here is one from CBS maybe you will believe them. This is a perfect example of how big govt hampers business. And also an example of them having their hand in all of our pockets and how stupid gov't really is. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/08/06/ap/strange/main6748628.shtml

Article on OR state regulations applies to federal government how?

heres another if it helps

http://news.yahoo.com/video/newyorkcbs2-15751042/teen-bake-sale-cut-short-23046983

another fine example of CAPITALISM brought to you today by the letter C

Americans will never be toatally and fully supportive of any government. To many want the quick fix, some want to run others in the ground to make a profit, the technological age has aided in this by allowing everything to be quicker and done with a few key strokes and click of a button. Im sorry I was brought up different to love my countryand my government (guess thats the backwoods country in me) and I do with every last drop of blood in me. Do I necessarily agree with everything that gets done/goes on....no. Do I pray daily to give our leaders the wisdom and strength to lead this country, Yes. Did I support Clinton, yes did I vote for Clinton, No Did I support Bush, Yes did I vote for Bush, No. Do I support the man in office that many feel they have to call names and feel it may be their duty to belittle and mock without walking a mile in his shoes, yes did I vote for him, yes.

Nothing tends to happen when doing the same thing over and over and over no Obama may not be the answer, no Democrats may not be the answer. Do we know 100% for sure that Republicans are the answer. Do we know 100% for sure Third Party is the answer? The only thing we can be sure of right now is America is divided and hurting and me personaly I want to pick up my fellow Americans when they are down and hurting and unite. Will unity ever happen, sadly no. However I will do everything I personaly can to make a difference for my family, my friends, my neighbors and my country to see us through to better times.

 

[Guest]

Well oogism I reckon you are the model subject. That is your right. I cannot nor will not ever support anyone who thinks it ok to murder MILLIONS of INNOCENT unborn human beings. I will pray for them that they repent from this evil act but I will NEVER support them. I prefer to be a citizen rather than a subject. A citizen who has a constitutional RIGHT to voice my opposition to a tyrannical evil government. That is how I was raised.

 

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cheez - 11/17/2010 7:55 AM

Well oogism I reckon you are the model subject. That is your right. I cannot nor will not ever support anyone who thinks it ok to murder MILLIONS of INNOCENT unborn human beings. I will pray for them that they repent from this evil act but I will NEVER support them. I prefer to be a citizen rather than a subject. A citizen who has a constitutional RIGHT to voice my opposition to a tyrannical evil government. That is how I was raised and I'm as backwoods country as they come.

 

[oggism]

cheez - 11/17/2010 7:57 AM

cheez - 11/17/2010 7:55 AM

Well oogism I reckon you are the model subject. That is your right. I cannot nor will not ever support anyone who thinks it ok to murder MILLIONS of INNOCENT unborn human beings. I will pray for them that they repent from this evil act but I will NEVER support them. I prefer to be a citizen rather than a subject. A citizen who has a constitutional RIGHT to voice my opposition to a tyrannical evil government. That is how I was raised and I'm as backwoods country as they come.

so I am a subject, care to elucidate on how I owe my allegiance rather than choose to pledge my allegiance?

Also I can understand your points and applaud you for expressing your rights nothing wrong with that at all and admire your conviction

 

[Sniperchoke]

oggism - 11/17/2010 6:22 AM

Sniperchoke - 11/16/2010 12:18 PM

Possum - 11/15/2010 4:41 PM

Sniperchoke - 11/15/2010 4:28 PM

Here is how big gov't helps the working class. http://stossel.blogs.foxbusiness.com/2010/11/15/crushing-entrepreneurs/

Fox, you cannot be serious?

O.K. here is one from CBS maybe you will believe them. This is a perfect example of how big govt hampers business. And also an example of them having their hand in all of our pockets and how stupid gov't really is. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/08/06/ap/strange/main6748628.shtml

Article on OR state regulations applies to federal government how?

heres another if it helps

http://news.yahoo.com/video/newyorkcbs2-15751042/teen-bake-sale-cut-short-23046983

another fine example of CAPITALISM brought to you today by the letter C

Americans will never be toatally and fully supportive of any government. To many want the quick fix, some want to run others in the ground to make a profit, the technological age has aided in this by allowing everything to be quicker and done with a few key strokes and click of a button. Im sorry I was brought up different to love my countryand my government (guess thats the backwoods country in me) and I do with every last drop of blood in me. Do I necessarily agree with everything that gets done/goes on....no. Do I pray daily to give our leaders the wisdom and strength to lead this country, Yes. Did I support Clinton, yes did I vote for Clinton, No Did I support Bush, Yes did I vote for Bush, No. Do I support the man in office that many feel they have to call names and feel it may be their duty to belittle and mock without walking a mile in his shoes, yes did I vote for him, yes.

Nothing tends to happen when doing the same thing over and over and over no Obama may not be the answer, no Democrats may not be the answer. Do we know 100% for sure that Republicans are the answer. Do we know 100% for sure Third Party is the answer? The only thing we can be sure of right now is America is divided and hurting and me personaly I want to pick up my fellow Americans when they are down and hurting and unite. Will unity ever happen, sadly no. However I will do everything I personaly can to make a difference for my family, my friends, my neighbors and my country to see us through to better times.

I will tell you the answer to all your questions. It is freedom and capitalism. Freedom, Capitalism, free markets, are the answer. Gov't does not have a good solution. They never will. I admire your desire to help your fellow man by all means donate to charity, churches, Red Cross, etc... I just don't agree with forced charity i.e. taxes because they waste my money on inefficient gov't programs. Free markets are the fairest way to turn this country around. Our country should be able to unite around freedom don't you think?

 

[oggism]

"I will tell you the answer to all your questions. It is freedom and capitalism. Freedom, Capitalism, free markets, are the answer. Gov't does not have a good solution. They never will. I admire your desire to help your fellow man by all means donate to charity, churches, Red Cross, etc... I just don't agree with forced charity i.e. taxes because they waste my money on inefficient gov't programs. Free markets are the fairest way to turn this country around. Our country should be able to unite around freedom don't you think?"

I would like to think so and hope so, however another person's greed will stomp out another leaving said stompee broke and homeless with said stomper not even thinking twice This is the ONLY issue I have with Capitalism and free enterprise and Im in agreement on the free charity from taxes. We have been a capitalistc free enterprise society for years Interstates got built, schools got built, families could afford to have one parent at home and the other worked full time still have a couple nice vacations a year or so and we the people and country were not no where in debt as are. (also the more economicaly endowed paid more taxes) But then Greed came and others took advantage of the system. Government will never have the answer with this I agree fully and we should be able to unite around freedom however some people will have a problem with said unity for whatever reasons they have.

 

[Sniperchoke]

The more rich pay more taxes now. The poor don't pay any taxes. Just go to IRS.com. Greed will always be a factor but capitalistic greed is a motivator. Government greed is about power and control and restricting freedom. Even John Rockefellar with Standard Oil tried his best to control the price of oil to no avail. Again capitalism is the most fair way to ensure wealth to a nation and individuals rich or poor.

 

[outcaster]

How many times do I have to say it? It's the mixture of the two.... Capitalism and Socialism that works best. They both need each other to work well. Kinda like salt and pepper.

 

[Guest]

oggism - 11/17/2010 8:13 AM

cheez - 11/17/2010 7:57 AM

so I am a subject, care to elucidate on how I owe my allegiance rather than choose to pledge my allegiance?

Also I can understand your points and applaud you for expressing your rights nothing wrong with that at all and admire your conviction

I just believe that if you support a leader with whom you disagree that you are more of a subject than a citizen. By giving them support you are in essence saying that their agenda is right. This is simply my opinion. Now praying for them is the right thing to do. We are commanded to do so in the bible. Just as we are commanded to pray for all the lost people in the world.

 

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outcaster - 11/17/2010 7:00 PM

How many times do I have to say it? It's the mixture of the two.... Capitalism and Socialism that works best. They both need each other to work well. Kinda like salt and pepper.

This is very true Danny. The problem is that when the socialists are given power they do not know when to stop "socializing" They are not happy until they have total control of every facet of the lives of the people under them.

 

[outcaster]

cheez - 11/18/2010 7:45 AM

outcaster - 11/17/2010 7:00 PM

How many times do I have to say it? It's the mixture of the two.... Capitalism and Socialism that works best. They both need each other to work well. Kinda like salt and pepper.

This is very true Danny. The problem is that when the socialists are given power they do not know when to stop "socializing" They are not happy until they have total control of every facet of the lives of the people under them.

The capitalist side does the same thing. (The 2000 to 2008 years are a prime example) They both (capitalism and socialism) are like fire or water. Both can be very useful and good if used properly, and very dangerous if left un-controlled.
Capitalism should almost always get first crack at meeting the needs of a society. The socialist side only needs to get involved, or take control of an issue or problem only after the capitalist side either Can't or Won't solve a problem. Liberals aren't interested in taking over the world and turning the USA into some "New and improved" version of the USSR. But fear motivates people, thus the lies, and the comparisons to Stalin and Hitler.

 

[beetlespin]

Agree with outcaster's last statement. Only thing I would like to add is that sometimes Government's ideas to help or get involved actually make the problems worse. The govt fueled the housing bubble with its failed policies and we are all suffering now. The fed is also too stupid to get out of its own way.

 

[Sniperchoke]

outcaster - 11/18/2010 9:04 AM

cheez - 11/18/2010 7:45 AM

outcaster - 11/17/2010 7:00 PM

How many times do I have to say it? It's the mixture of the two.... Capitalism and Socialism that works best. They both need each other to work well. Kinda like salt and pepper.

This is very true Danny. The problem is that when the socialists are given power they do not know when to stop "socializing" They are not happy until they have total control of every facet of the lives of the people under them.

The capitalist side does the same thing. (The 2000 to 2008 years are a prime example) They both (capitalism and socialism) are like fire or water. Both can be very useful and good if used properly, and very dangerous if left un-controlled.
Capitalism should almost always get first crack at meeting the needs of a society. The socialist side only needs to get involved, or take control of an issue or problem only after the capitalist side either Can't or Won't solve a problem. Liberals aren't interested in taking over the world and turning the USA into some "New and improved" version of the USSR. But fear motivates people, thus the lies, and the comparisons to Stalin and Hitler.

Capitalism has never run amuck. Give me an example from 2000-2008. And don't say the housing market because Freddie and Fannie where involved.. And don't say financial's because gov't was involved there too. The market was not allowed to work gov't intervened. Remember bailouts? If markets crash they will rebound if allowed to.. One of our greatest freedoms is the freedom to fail.

 

[outcaster]

The failures of the last decade are not the fault of the Gov't. Give me a break! The Glass Stegal legislation of 1999 made home ownership easier and more available, that's it! Actually some of the safegaurds were stripped away in 2003. What Wall St., Mortgage brokers, Real estate investors, and a multitude of stupid and mis-led home buyers and refinancers did to destroy the housing and banking market is simply CAPITALISM at its very worst. It's just much easier to blame big gubment. "The Gov't made us do it" argument is just silly.

 

[outcaster]

Sniperchoke - 11/18/2010 2:36 PM

outcaster - 11/18/2010 9:04 AM

cheez - 11/18/2010 7:45 AM

outcaster - 11/17/2010 7:00 PM

How many times do I have to say it? It's the mixture of the two.... Capitalism and Socialism that works best. They both need each other to work well. Kinda like salt and pepper.

This is very true Danny. The problem is that when the socialists are given power they do not know when to stop "socializing" They are not happy until they have total control of every facet of the lives of the people under them.

The capitalist side does the same thing. (The 2000 to 2008 years are a prime example) They both (capitalism and socialism) are like fire or water. Both can be very useful and good if used properly, and very dangerous if left un-controlled.
Capitalism should almost always get first crack at meeting the needs of a society. The socialist side only needs to get involved, or take control of an issue or problem only after the capitalist side either Can't or Won't solve a problem. Liberals aren't interested in taking over the world and turning the USA into some "New and improved" version of the USSR. But fear motivates people, thus the lies, and the comparisons to Stalin and Hitler.

Capitalism has never run amuck. Give me an example from 2000-2008. And don't say the housing market because Freddie and Fannie where involved.. And don't say financial's because gov't was involved there too. The market was not allowed to work gov't intervened. Remember bailouts? If markets crash they will rebound if allowed to.. One of our greatest freedoms is the freedom to fail.

Capitalism has never run amuck? Are you kidding me? What do you call the 300+ years of forced African slavery? The great depression? Wow, you really do need to take that History class I suggested a while back.

 

[beetlespin]

You should listen to the "quantitative easing explained" video I posted in here. Funny but pretty accurate.

 

[Guest]

outcaster - 11/18/2010 5:50 PM

The failures of the last decade are not the fault of the Gov't. Give me a break! The Glass Stegal legislation of 1999 made home ownership easier and more available, that's it! Actually some of the safegaurds were stripped away in 2003. What Wall St., Mortgage brokers, Real estate investors, and a multitude of stupid and mis-led home buyers and refinancers did to destroy the housing and banking market is simply CAPITALISM at its very worst. It's just much easier to blame big gubment. "The Gov't made us do it" argument is just silly.

The government is the one (Clinton and frank smoker) who made lending to unqualifed people possible. People who otherwise would never have been loaned money to buy a house. The mortgage companies only did it because they were forced to by the liberals.