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Socialism, according to Karl Marx, is the transition between capitalism and communism. To achieve communism, Marx says, there must be continuing revolution in which the fundamental principal is: The end justifies the means.

For more than half a century, capitalism in the United States has taken a beating from the socialist revolution. Despite the best efforts of conservatives since the Roosevelt era, socialists have made great strides toward converting the nation to socialism. Apparently, the majority of Americans either fail to recognize the transition, or welcome it. The enthusiastic support for Barack Obama, especially among young people, is abundant evidence.

Obama has declared that he believes every person has a "right" to health care. The Socialist Party USA believes every person has a "right" to health care.

Obama believes that labor unions should be allowed to organize without a secret ballot. The Socialist Party USA calls for unions to be recognized without a secret ballot. (Hear Obama's words here.)

The Socialist Party USA recognizes the "right" of adequate housing for everyone. Obama trained ACORN (Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now) workers to secure mortgages for unqualified people in sufficient numbers to collapse the housing and home-financing industries.

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The Socialist Party USA believes that "capitalism is fundamentally incompatible" with socialism. For years, Obama worked in Chicago through the Annenberg Challenge, along with Bill Ayers, to funnel more than $50 million to anti-capitalist education projects. In November 2006, Ayers traveled to Venezuela to speak at Hugo Chavez's Education Forum where he railed against "the failings of capitalist education," and praised the "Bolivarian Revolution and the profound reforms in education made by Hugo Chavez."

The Socialist Party USA believes in open borders and six-months residency as the only requirement for U.S. citizenship. Obama marched with illegal aliens in Chicago in support of "comprehensive" immigration reform. Listen to Obama's promises to La Raza in 2007.

The Socialist Party USA calls for an immediate withdrawal from Iraq. Obama says, "I will end this war," with never a reference to "winning" or "victory."

The Socialist Party USA calls for the "unconditional disarmament" by the United States. Obama has promised to dramatically reduce defense spending. Listen to his words here.

The Socialist Party USA calls for a "livable guaranteed annual income." Obama trained ACORN members to conduct "Living Wage" campaigns in cities around the country.

The Socialist Party USA calls for a "steeply graduated" tax policy to redistribute wealth. Obama has promised to increase the tax burden on the rich to redistribute wealth to the poor. He revealed his philosophy when answering a question from Joe the plumber, who complained that he was being taxed for his success. Obama said:

It's not that I want to punish your success. I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you, that they've got a chance for success too. My attitude is that if the economy's good for folks from the bottom up, it's gonna be good for everybody. I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody.
This list of comparisons could be quite long. This is sufficient to reveal an unmistakable similarity between Obama's political beliefs and the beliefs of the Socialist Party USA. The tragedy is that Obama's supporters don't care. In fact, many of his supporters are delighted that he promises to usher in a new era of socialism, and push the memory of capitalism further into history.

Socialists, who are in perpetual revolution, who believe that the end justifies the means, have worked through educational institutions, non-government organizations such as ACORN and by electing socialists to public office to silence teaching the virtues of free enterprise, capitalism, private property, individual responsibility and personal achievement. For nearly two generations, students have been fed a steady diet of socialism under a variety of disguises, including Outcome Based Education, No Child Left Behind, School-to-Work and a host of other "feel good" slogans.

Students and young adults no longer know why capitalism is better than socialism. Like Obama, young people really believe that when government redistributes wealth, "it's good for everybody." They do not realize that wealth redistribution is no substitute for wealth creation. They are never taught that the only way to create wealth is for an individual to combine his energy and intellect with resources to produce a product that improves his life, or for which someone else is willing to pay.

Private property, the accumulation of personal prosperity and individual achievement are anathema to socialism. Socialism sees the individual as nothing more than a cog in a government-run machine designed to ensure equity for all.

Capitalism seeks prosperity; socialism seeks equity. Freedom increases as prosperity increases. In a socialist system, there can be neither.
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So I guess these Bible verses makes Obama a better Christian than you......or maybe the Anti-Christ

Acts 2:44-45 (King James Version)

44:And all that believed were together, and had all things common;

45:And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.

Wow! That's Socialism! In the Bible? Say it ain't so Cheez
 
OK I will say it ain't so Danny. In the bible these things done were voluntary out of the goodness of the people's hearts. Socialism is forced upon the people against their will.

BIG DIFFERENCE

Now as far as olbummer being the antichrist I do not believe the scriptures support this claim by some. I do belive that the man is evil in a pure enough form as to be the right hand man of the antichrist and certainly a minion of Satan himself.
 
How wrong you are outcaster!
The people devoted (they themselves elected to share) they were not forced by Peter to give up everything.

New Living Translation:
The Believers Form a Community
42 All the believers devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching, and to fellowship, and to sharing in meals (including the Lord’s Supper), and to prayer.
43 A deep sense of awe came over them all, and the apostles performed many miraculous signs and wonders.
44 And all the believers met together in one place and shared everything they had.
45 They sold their property and possessions and shared the money with those in need.
46 They worshiped together at the Temple each day, met in homes for the Lord’s Supper, and shared their meals with great joy and generosity[j]—47 all the while praising God and enjoying the goodwill of all the people. And each day the Lord added to their fellowship those who were being saved.

PS...Now this is my view and I am a Southern Conservative, with a Copenhagen ring, Gun Toting, God fearing, Family loving Redneck but my education is good enough to know that Peter wasn't dictating Socialism.
The Community / people elected to share!
Major difference!
 
cheez - 8/12/2009 8:16 PM OK Danny I will say it ain't so Danny. In the bible these things done were voluntary out of the goodness of the people's hearts. Socialism is forced upon the people against their will. BIG DIFFERENCE Now as far as olbummer being the antichrist I do not believe the scriptures support this claim by some. I do belive that the man is evil in a pure enough form as to be the right hand man of the antichrist and certainly a minion of Satan himself.
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Much like a turtle sitting on top of a fence post, Obama didn't get there without a lot of help. His plan for "change" is a pure socialist agenda which has been floating around this country for 100 years or more. Lyndon Johnson brought it to the surface and now Obama has pulled it up on shore.

Once the people are totally dependent on the government to provide the basic staples of life, they are conquered from with-in. No shots will be fired in this hostile takeover, it will occur one bill and one vote at a time. We are witnessing the death of our prosperity.
 
popeyedpete - 8/13/2009 9:53 AM

Much like a turtle sitting on top of a fence post, Obama didn't get there without a lot of help. His plan for "change" is a pure socialist agenda which has been floating around this country for 100 years or more. Lyndon Johnson brought it to the surface and now Obama has pulled it up on shore.

Once the people are totally dependent on the government to provide the basic staples of life, they are conquered from with-in. No shots will be fired in this hostile takeover, it will occur one bill and one vote at a time. We are witnessing the death of our prosperity.

I agree for sure. I think that is why olbummer has backed away from the gun control issues for now. He is playing the naive people in the US for all they are worth. When he has us at our most vulnerable point is when all H is going to break loose. I pray that I am wrong but there is simply too much evidence supporting my thoughts.
 
outcaster - 8/13/2009 7:25 AM

So I guess these Bible verses makes Obama a better Christian than you......or maybe the Anti-Christ

Acts 2:44-45 (King James Version)

44:And all that believed were together, and had all things common;

45:And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.

Wow! That's Socialism! In the Bible? Say it ain't so Cheez

Do you have a boat? If so, I know a guy who doesn't, and would sure appreciate it if you would give it to him. He could then go fishing to feed his family.
 
No Comrade it wont work like that. Your boat is nicer than my boat. So to provide everyone with a boat taxes will be collected and everyone will be allowed to have the same boat eventually. Because your boat is nicer you will be taxed at a higher rate until you can no longer afford the nicer boat and must fish from the government supplied boat. The same for cars, homes, heathcare, land, clothes, food and children.
 
Hagen - 8/13/2009 12:39 PM

No Comrade it wont work like that. Your boat is nicer than my boat. So to provide everyone with a boat taxes will be collected and everyone will be allowed to have the same boat eventually. Because your boat is nicer you will be taxed at a higher rate until you can no longer afford the nicer boat and must fish from the government supplied boat. The same for cars, homes, heathcare, land, clothes, food and children.

my bad hagen! ;)
 
cheez - 8/13/2009 8:16 AM OK I will say it ain't so Danny. In the bible these things done were voluntary out of the goodness of the people's hearts. Socialism is forced upon the people against their will. BIG DIFFERENCE Now as far as olbummer being the antichrist I do not believe the scriptures support this claim by some. I do belive that the man is evil in a pure enough form as to be the right hand man of the antichrist and certainly a minion of Satan himself.
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I recon you finally found a way to express your radical views huh? A forum that has no rules. Your a little scary Cheez. </p>

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Well sir my views are the views of millions of Americans. Some have the guts to express them and some are sheep that choose to sit by the wayside and let our country finish it's journey to hell.
Flip you really need to look around the internet a bit more. This is one of the last sportsman's forums to do this. Politics and religion debate is here to stay. Even if you and your cronies succeed in stopping it on CFF you will not silence the voices elsewhere. I have not personally attacked anyone on here. I have not used any foul language. I have not posted lies nor questionable photos so get off of me my friend.
 
The only good from this forum is that some are being exposed for who they really are. I kinda doubt that millions think that our president is the antichrists right hand man.
 
cheez - 8/13/2009 4:57 PM

Well sir my views are the views of millions of Americans. Some have the guts to express them and some are sheep that choose to sit by the wayside and let our country finish it's journey to hell.
Flip you really need to look around the internet a bit more. This is one of the last sportsman's forums to do this. Politics and religion debate is here to stay. Even if you and your cronies succeed in stopping it on CFF you will not silence the voices elsewhere. I have not personally attacked anyone on here. I have not used any foul language. I have not posted lies nor questionable photos so get off of me my friend.

"You and your cronies".....that is a little insulting if you ask me.

I know both of you are decent fellows, and would help any one here in need.
 
jon the fisherman - 8/13/2009 5:15 PM

cheez - 8/13/2009 4:57 PM

Well sir my views are the views of millions of Americans. Some have the guts to express them and some are sheep that choose to sit by the wayside and let our country finish it's journey to hell.
Flip you really need to look around the internet a bit more. This is one of the last sportsman's forums to do this. Politics and religion debate is here to stay. Even if you and your cronies succeed in stopping it on CFF you will not silence the voices elsewhere. I have not personally attacked anyone on here. I have not used any foul language. I have not posted lies nor questionable photos so get off of me my friend.

"You and your cronies".....that is a little insulting if you ask me.

I know both of you are decent fellows, and would help any one here in need.

Just so you won't be offended there Jim I took the liberty to get the definition of crony for you. No insult intended by me whatsoever. I was simply responding to another personal attack on me by one man and two or three others that would rather attack me than have an intelligent debate.

cro·ny /'kro?ni/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [kroh-nee] Show IPA
Use cronies in a Sentence
–noun, plural -nies. a close friend or companion; chum.
 
Well, the whole spreading the wealth issue was what really burned me during the election. Let's punish the workers and reward the slackers, dang, I still get fired up over that one.
 
David you want to share the commission you worked very hard for? I am sure millions on welfare would love for you too.
 
Cheez, no personal attacks here only sarcasm. Seems you are willing to dish it out, but are finding yourself a bit thin-skinned whe someone is willing to respond to your views.
 
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