First Post From Aqua Services, Inc., The Aquatic Herbicide Application Company

[jim4596]

troy goldsby - 7/1/2011 12:58 PM
Glad you posted a label. It is good for all to read those. Let's post some others also. Put up one of clorox, windex, or any other household products. Once again, the products are safe but need to be handled properly.
Troy

I dont knowingly dump clorox or windex in my drinking water.
Like i said, we will have to agree to disagree. i think you are very respectable for coming on here and posting, but we just have different opinions thats all.

 

[troy goldsby]

Check out Guntersville lots in hot, topped out summer. What they list for is probably not what they will sale for.

Troy

 

[troy goldsby]

That may be, but you still spray your counters which come in contact with your food and your drinking water is treated with chlorine, probably. But, if you want to disagree, that is fine. Thanks for the posts.

Troy

 

[troy goldsby]

I certainly agree about the taxes for all being to high.

Troy

 

[jonathanfaith2]

Troy,

you made the comment...Drift is not really possible with these herbicides, we apply them either in parts per million or parts per billion and they are subsurface injections. Once they have moved just a few feet they have diminished to the point that they are no longer effective or detectable and they breakdown very rapidly.


With that being said do you mind if I come over and take a leak in your family pool? Its only a small amount compaired to the total volume that is in the pool.
Fact of the matter is that even if your products are approved by the EPA (Which is not hard to do! I am in the chemical industry and have a number of products that we make approved) You are still intruducing a foreign substance to a natural enviroment.

As for the EU comment when it comes to chemicals the USA has allways followed suit with anything the EU has put restrictions on.

 

[BulletTJ]

The solution to the grass problem around lake owners docks is really simple. They should be allowed to dredge the lake bottom around their docks. Weeds wont grow in deep water. This would help them with swimming around their dock and with docking larger boats. As for the comment from Troy. I wouldn't expect anything else from someone in his business. I am pretty sure he wouldn't put his safe chemicals in his families drinking water. If a chemical will kill milfoil it is TOXIC. Plan and simple. You can try and spin it anyway you want but dumping POISION in OUR waters should ILLEGAL! As for patches of grass being ugly. Troy that is your opinion. I think they are a thing of beauty, beacause I know how much good it is doing for the fishing.

 

[SpurHunter]

I appreciate your effort to keep us informed, we could all use the facts, not fiction. </p>

I am concerned with your statment that some lake owners have lost 50% value becuase of the grass. Its simply not true, and if you believe that, your sources were either lying to you for gain of some sort, or were also un-informed. Unless your services to remove grass costs in the $1 million dollar range, it would certainly seem silly to me that a lake ownwer wth a $2.5 million dollar house, now worth $1.25, (because of some grass in his slough)it would benefit him to pay for removal, and avoid the appraised value. </p>

ALTHOUGH, it also seems odd, that you defend the practice of removing the grass to help these poor souls retian value of their homes, yet argue in their defense against high assed taxes rate?? Something doesnt add up to me. </p>

If they are worried about the taxes, I would think they would love to see the grass come in and decrease the tax, dontcha think?</p>


I am making a conclusion here you are not an angler, not only becuase your in the business of destroying fish habitat, but the fact you dont recognize the sheer arrogance of many lake land owners. TWICE this year I was lambasted by an irrate owner while fishing his sea-wall and he demanded I leave the area....or "he would get his gun". I called the law both times and he had to shut his mouth, learning he didnt own the water, or the seawall for that matter. He then told me I diminished his quality of life by not leaving....while he lives in a $3 million dollar estate with a huge boat and dock house at his disposal. Yup, poor feller, I cant imagine how he will get over it.
emoRolleyes</p>

 

[troy goldsby]

I'm sure it happens in pools I swim in, but they are chlorinated, not a big deal. How's that untreated lake water contaminated by chicken, pig, and cow mess. That's pretty rough when you think about it.

As for foreign introductions, so are the exotic vegetation species that you cherish. If we are eliminated all foreign matter, let's get rid of all exotics, how will that work out?

Troy

 

[Fishin Fool]

Troy I can tell you that I am not a scientist but I do know that so called "foreign introductions" can sometimes be a good thing, and sometimes a bad thing. For instance, would it surprise you to know that tomatoes are not native to the US? That pineapples are not native to Hawaii? Many of the trees growing in our forest now are not native trees. As a matter of fact, if you think about it, nothing is really native over the vast spans of time. What we see today as not native, like the milfoil you guys hate, will be considered a native plant in a hundred years. Sure there are bad introductions into the eco-system and we try and limit those, such a zebra mussels, snake heads, grass carp and so on.....The weeds in this lake have been here now for many decades, and those decades have taught us that they are a good thing for the fish, fishing and water clarity/cleanliness. Not to mention the money it brings in from avid fishermen who travel here from other states and countries, and pay license fees, buy tackle, bait, etc...... Those same fees go to helping maintain the fishery and quality of water and life on the lake. Take away the grass, kill the fish, and kiss it all goodbye.

I love the water, warts and all. You can't change things all the time because you don't like them. I've fished down river when the water was low and the air smelled like dead fish. Even if I had the money, I wouldn't have suggested that someone spray the air with Febreze to kill the scent! (this is an example Troy, not to be taken literally) A of land owners are that way. They want it THEIR way.

As far as chicken, pigs and cow mess, that was going on long before you were born, and is probably much less of an impact now than then. It isn't rough, it's life.

troy goldsby - 7/1/2011 2:58 PM

I'm sure it happens in pools I swim in, but they are chlorinated, not a big deal. How's that untreated lake water contaminated by chicken, pig, and cow mess. That's pretty rough when you think about it.

As for foreign introductions, so are the exotic vegetation species that you cherish. If we are eliminated all foreign matter, let's get rid of all exotics, how will that work out?

Troy

 

[gobigorange]

I am with Jimmy I want to see someone take a big drink of this stuff emoEnforce

 

[Hiwassee Angler]

Instead of dropping chemical, get a grass harvester. It will create a few jobs. It will not kill the grass. We may not have matted grass, but we will have submerged grass. And everyone will be somewhat happy.

 

[Fishin Fool]

BTW, I agree with Spurhunter. I have run into more and more lake front land owners over the years that simply have no idea what they own and what they don't. This transfers over into the spraying issue big time. I've been told, when fishing within 10 feet of a dock, that I needed to leave, that I was fishing in water they own! A small, vocal, well heeled group in Chattanooga, that acts this same way, is putting the bug in the ears of people that issue permits and make decisions to spray. They are not content with spraying around docks either. They want the entire lake, remolded into the lake they think it should be.

 

[porkchop-xb]

i say let the tax payers of the state vote on whether or not to spray or some other less destructive alternative,since i pay taxes for the same water as lake shore owners do, maybe not as much but i still do, we need get a petition up for this matter, hell i will even take off to deliver it my self i aint scared.

 

[troy goldsby]

Dredging would work for awhile, but there again it is very expensive and Hydrilla has been found in water depths up to 30' deep. My family does swim in these waters and drinks from intakes that pull from the river all the time. I am not concerned. The products are safe. Also, believing that vegetation is only good is just a naive point of view. Topped out vegetation with massive amounts of coverage is extremely detrimental to fish populations. Those are the facts, can't help it if you don't like them. I said in the beginning I was here to state facts, that is all I have done. Can't say that for the majority of the rest of the posts.

Troy

 

[troy goldsby]

Where are your facts, I am trusting well known realtors in the Guntersville area. And I did not say all properties, but some values do drop by as much as 50% and many others have a diminishment in property values to some degree. Paying for herbicide applications is what many are doing, despite the property value drop, and the increased property taxes.

I argue for all those paying too much in taxes, no matter where they live, including myself. However, you can take property priced the same, but inland, and there property taxes will be 10 times less than the individual on the river. How is that equitable?

I wet a line occasionally, but not as often as when I was a kid. You need to research me and Aqua Services, Inc. before calling us destroyers of fish habitat. Check out the website, www.aquaservicesinc.com, check out the testimonials from the folks for whom we manage fisheries. I have one client that caught, quite possible, the Tennessee State record last year, the weight was based on girth and length, he didn't have a scale. Another, 2 weeks ago caught 2 over 5 lbs., 1 over 6 lbs., 1 over 8 lbs., and one that was 9.7 lbs. When was the last time you had an afternoon like that? Too your last point, that door swings both ways. There are tons of arrogant fisherman on the water that make statements like "they don't own the water". Well, fishermen don't either. We have been threatened, had guns pulled on us, had folks try to jump on our boats, and on and on. I'll wait to see your next post.

Troy

 

[troy goldsby]

Your point about foreign introductions is off topic, or maybe you made my point. I was answering a previous blog about foreign introductions, but you say that some are good. I will take that to mean that the herbicides the other guy hated being introduced, you love. The facts are that non-native, exotic, noxious, invasive species, like hydrilla, milfoil, hyacinths, salvinia, lettuce, etc. are a negative all around. Some may seem nice for a short while, but when "the chick" is 30 to 40% covered you will be singing a different tune. I wish someone would give us some stats on waterfront property tax dollars vs. fishing dollars. I here that argument all of the time but no one ever produces the stats. I would really like to see them.

It seems to me, from many conversations and this blog, that fishermen want it "their way" also.

Maybe you should take your own advice, things you don't like are "just life". Thanks for the post.

Troy

 

[churly]

Guys keep the conversation civil and polite. Trust me I harbor the same ill will towards chemical treatment of aquatic grass, but if you take the time to listen to Troy he makes some great points, and actually makes me feel better about the situation. We need to keep Troy on board so we can get answers from the "horses mouth". As upset as we are, we have to stay cool. Lets dont run Troy off, he could be one of our greatest assets, and I am learning a lot from him. That being said, I firmly diapprove of herbicides being put into the lake.

Keep this in mind, he makes a living treating grass, so do you think he wants the grass to be eradicated from our water?......

 

[troy goldsby]

No missed point here, just isn't factual. I never said that DDT was great, but it did save lots of lives and millions more have been lost since the removal of DDT. I know it had some very adverse effects but human lives are always the most important. Besides, DDT was an insecticide, not a herbicide. Herbicides kill plants not animals.

The state decides what is too much, that is why I posted the limitations that are in our permits.

Nope, I think we all should pay less taxes, but if we are assessed at a certain rate for a certain reason, when that reason is gone the assessment should go back down, no matter where you live. Not sure why you are so defensive, I haven't attacked anyone, only posted because I was asked to and though it would help. I can pay the bills in a lot of ways, I do this because it is right. By the way, lots of avid fishermen use our services on a regular basis.

I don't think you posted misinformation, I know you have. I have only given facts.

Troy

 

[troy goldsby]

Y'all need to read all the posts before you post. This gets redundant. Drinking anything concentrated is crazy, soap, clorox, windex, etc. Not a very valid point.

Troy

 

[troy goldsby]

Except of all of the dead fish that get caught in the harvesters, read the statistics from earlier.

Troy